experience with therapist

hi everyone,

I am very concern the way i am being treated by my specialist as I felt they are forcing to adapt the normal enviroment and i am very traumatizing. I had been hurting myself alot these night with lots of bruises and cant sleep due to the depression.

my specialist had been forcing me to put down my special interest in disney characters, fairy tale and costumed characters and adapt the mainstream enviroment. they even force me to interact with someone I don't like (my peers). My peers loves things like sport and watching television whcih i don't like. 

In my world, i like playing with the children and we play together around my area with toys and dolls. the reason i like interacting with the children because they share interest like me. but my specialist is forcing me not to hang out with them because of age difference eventhought no one mind about it. their parent don't bother about this and no one care about this. but they still force me not to hang out with someone who shares interest like me while interact with someone don't have interest like me. they are doing this to me because of my age and i feel like they are bullying me. 

i am very traumatized but no adult are listening to me as they all are on my specialist side just because this lady is a therapist. if i talk to my parent about it, they will punnish me for not being greatful to my specialist. I have no one on my side. I need help.

I am being forced to adapting an enviroment that i don't like. I am very very traumatized.

Does anyone here is on myside and think it's okay of what i like to be doing as i need help.

reminder i am someone at my very late teen.

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  • Hi Adrien. Sorry to hear about how your feeling right now. I would say as long as the parents of the younger children are fine with it then it's not anyone else's business. I do understand that these days people may worry for your safety (accusations) and others in regards to age differences. It would be awful for things to be perceived in a way that isnt correct. I dont have Autism my son does and hes 10. I can tell you he prefers the company of his 7 year old bro and his friends than that of kids his own age. His peers are bored of the things he's still very much interested in. It's so hard for you guys I really feel for you when making sense of this world. I cant make sense of this world and I dont have Autism. I recently recieved a post about blue buckets for halloween. It said I may look older but I have autism and still enjoy halloween basically.  I'm thinking you enjoy things that other people perceive to be too young for you but like the blue bucket raises awareness for halloween it should raise awareness all year round??? People need to be more educated and accepting of Autism. Are your parents supportive. If so maybe talk to them about how you feel? 

  • well about age difference concerned, lewishad, i mean if i have autism, that shouldnt be that concerned. my therapist could tell people i am autistic. like i even heard a severe autistic man who has a mind of a child and one day, he just said hello to the child and even hug him because the child is cute, the parent didnt even mind as they can see he is autistic and even smile and say that he is good with children. i mean having autism should be a freepass for interacting with children as long as both get on well okay which is also apply to other people of any age. and as what the therapist are concern, i mean eventhought a 16 years old interact with younger children, some people still get worried but i did that since as a 16 years old as well but no one mind. so that shouldnt be my therapist business and coming to destroy my world and ruin me. 

  • and for accusation, i mean the gardai (mean police in ireland) are trained to deal with people with autism and i also have my autism id card. say if the accusation did happened, all my parent could say is that i'm autistic so the gardai will understand and nothing will happened.


  • so do you mean by i can interact with children but i still need to interact with people at my own age as well as children?

    Well given that your psychological maturation is more like a child's, and your physiological age is more like an adult's, a measure of both interaction types would seem reasonable, so basically yes you still need to interact with children the same age as you mentally 'and' adults the same age as you physically.

    Your mind is maturing at one rate in terms of being younger, and your body is maturing at another rate in terms of being older, so these younger and older rates of maturation or development need to be accounted for and worked with at different times ~ to allow for your psychological (personal) and sociological (social) development to happen for you in a healthy life affirming way, as in terms of being an autistic person.

    Does that make sense?


  • so do you mean by i can interact with children but i still need to interact with people at my own age as well as children?


  • but why are you agree that my therapist to force me to interact with someone i dont like.

    I am not agreeing with forcing you to interact with someone you do not like, whereas I have been explaining to you the nature of society in order that you consider a balanced approach to socialization, and how 'you' can choose to go about achieving it in terms of your developmental maturation ~ or more simply growing up mentally to balance more with your age physically.

    This does not mean that I mean you have to give up your special interests and your interactions with those who share them.


    i know that i do need to have some people at my age, but i do not agree that i need to stop interacting with children just because of my age as that's agist.

    It is only you in this discussion that imagines you have to stop interacting with people that are younger than you.


    Well i'm telling you, you dont want me to discriminate those who are not in my group but they dont discriminate against me for playing with children younger than me just because of my age either as i am autistic. i have evry right to be difference. that is just being difference , interacting with cchildren way younger than me.

    All you need do is balance up your interactions as you have stated that you know you need to do in terms of interacting with people your own age.


  • deep thought, i want to know what do you think is mean that autistic people should be accepted? i know that i do need people who are similar age as me but that doesnt mean i need to stop playing with other children especially if they or their parent dont mind. i do not called this is acceptance if i was forced to adapt the social norm and the age appropriate concept. like what you said my therapist are trying so hard to stop me playing with other children just because of afraid of false accusation.

    like false accusation could happened between anyone of any age. like even a middle age woman can frame me that i had touched her when i did not. so does that mean i need to avoid interacting with woman just because i'm a male. no. that just restraining you from interact with people i want to interact with and i do not restrain me like that. plenty of men interact with woman. so why children is the special case. that's just age segregation between adult and children. i do not called this as equality and democracy. children are also the same as woman.

    well i am autistic, i do not follow the social norm or age appropriate to torture myself. no one will dare accuse me as i am autistic and disabled. and age difference friendship is just a difference which is normal for me and my nature. as long as i am not hurting anyone, then i should be free to be myself including interact with my little friends. 

    like i even heard once there was a girl age 25 who was severely autistic and one time, at the playground, she like running around with children and her mum dont mind and the children's parent dont mind as she is autistic. the mother even told other parent that "my daughter is autistic. she likes playing with children" and the parent saids " it's okay as long as she is fine with that". and her social worker even encourage her to interact with these children. 

    so why is that difference for me. well the society include the children should accpet autistic differences. as long as autistic people are not just hurting other for fun, then thats okay.

  • but why are you agree that my therapist to force me to interact with someone i dont like. JESUS CHRIST! i know that i do need to have some people at my age, but i do not agree that i need to stop interacting with children just because of my age as that's agist. Well i'm telling you, you dont want me to discriminate those who are not in my group but they dont discriminate against me for playing with children younger than me just because of my age either as i am autistic. i have evry right to be difference. that is just being difference , interacting with cchildren way younger than me.


  • and about the age difference friendship, are you saying i need to stop outplaying right away now because of my old age, this is pressing my red button?

    No ~ I was stating nothing of the sort. You were imagining that I a said what you were  pretending instead to be the case, even though I stated this:


    Of course not, but as long as your therapist is not discriminating against you as an autistic person who is psychologically maturing at a slower rate than is normally the case for non-autistic people, you are not entitled to discriminate against her on the basis that autism is free pass to do anything you want either. 

    Remember that equality in your situation with your therapist and society in general ~ involves that you can interact with children in terms of a shared interest in Disney toys and games to reasonable extent, and that interacting with more responsible people of your own age is also involved to a reasonable extent ~ in order that you can in a balanced way participate and develop in society as the talented individual that you are, and can more as such be. 


    A reasonable extent of interaction with children involves a reasonable extent of interaction with people about your own age and older also.

    So being that you are not yet as psychologically mature as you are physiologically ~ you need in part to interact with people who are psychologically the same age developmentally as you are, so that you mature with them in the way that children do, and you need also in part to interact with people who are physiologically the same age or older developmentally than you ~ so that you mature with them in the way adults do. 

    The basic problem (it very much seems) is that you have been thinking as many autistic people do in terms of 'absolutes' ~ involving what is called autistic black and white thinking, where everything you want to do (white thinking) involves children and nothing you want to (black thinking) involves adults, and when you previously read me stating that you need a bit of both ~ you only imagined one type of interaction wholly, rather than both partly.

    Is it possible then that your therapist actually requires you to interact a little more with people your own physical age, over time, and as such to interact a little less with children who are your own mental age?


    i do not have to have another meltdown and i dont want a terrible future as this could lead me to a terrible life.

    Well with a slow graduation from just interacting with children, you could also be interacting with adults who will sooner rather later have children themselves ~ or else risk the lonely life thing yourself more possibly?



  • based on "Defaming and discriminating against people is hurtful and being autistic does not make that acceptable ~ because this is an autistic website forum, and there are two sets of rules you have broken ~ with two from the first set being:" yeah this is autistic forum and i have autism. why would i be saying insulting things like this to other autistic people. Like that's evil to say insulting things to autistic people and i know that.

    I am even on the autistic side so why would i be defaming or discriminating you?


    You made an insult of cowardice as a defamation of character to challenge your assumption of other people's purported inaction by you of isolation ~ all for the purpose of bringing about a desirable action for your comfort.

    Remember also that autistic people are more likely to favor solitude or isolation than most non-autistic people ~ due to social interaction, communication and imagination problems that can be restrictive or even obstructive, and even if you did not mean to discriminate against autistic people ~ you were discriminating against people who prefer or need solitude anyway.

    Recall also too that being biased towards one group of people and discriminating against another group does not involve the recognition of everyone's equal rights.



  • Deepthought, why did you say i am discriminate you guys? i am just speaking up for my right and even speaking up for other autistic right. I am not insulting you here, i am scolding the mainstream society for putting pressure on me including age appropriate concept and social norm and especially for not allowed being friends with children just because of my age. why would you say i am insulting someone with a disability. I'm not. like i have autism here so why would i do something bad to someone who i understand what is like to be autistic.

    I'm just scolding my therapist.  I'm definately NOT treating you like slave. so why did you call me discriminating other in this forum, i am just scolding my therapist not you guys with autism. like i am a person who has autism and like helping other with autism so they can be comfort in their way in their world. i also raise awareness for autism and hope people accept autistic difference including allowing them to play with other kids at their grown age and playing with toys and dolls. like this is a forum just for autism, not for mainstream people.


    The discrimination issue has already been explained, but will need explaining again as you have done it again here with this forum not just being for autistic people:

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    so why cant i raise out my voice to get my right back of dont have to following age apropriate and social norm as an autistic person.

    Your rights like everybody else's rights involve what is appropriate to do by law according to a person's mental and physical ability to do what is befitting for everyone including themselves ~ with the social norm being the societal standards that must be followed as laws by everyone for everyone's safety and provision; equally.
    No one can be excluded from this as it includes everyone as being in some ways similar, and in other ways dissimilar ~ as previously explained regarding organs, flesh and bones as being similar to all, with all the abilities, capacities and interests that make us different.
    Your rights then like everyone else's are not then lost ~ but are either not understood, not comprehended or else are not recognizsed. This has applied to yourself in terms of you not fully understanding, comprehending or recognizing what your rights and other people's rights actually are here and elsewhere.

    so i am just raising my right as freedom of speech. 


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  • and about the age difference friendship, are you saying i need to stop outplaying right away now because of my old age, this is pressing my red button? i do not have to have another meltdown and i dont want a terrible future as this could lead me to a terrible life.

  • based on "Defaming and discriminating against people is hurtful and being autistic does not make that acceptable ~ because this is an autistic website forum, and there are two sets of rules you have broken ~ with two from the first set being:" yeah this is autistic forum and i have autism. why would i be saying insulting things like this to other autistic people. Like that's evil to say insulting things to autistic people and i know that.

    I am even on the autistic side so why would i be defaming or discriminating you?

  • Deepthought, why did you say i am discriminate you guys? i am just speaking up for my right and even speaking up for other autistic right. I am not insulting you here, i am scolding the mainstream society for putting pressure on me including age appropriate concept and social norm and especially for not allowed being friends with children just because of my age. why would you say i am insulting someone with a disability. I'm not. like i have autism here so why would i do something bad to someone who i understand what is like to be autistic.

    I'm just scolding my therapist.  I'm definately NOT treating you like slave. so why did you call me discriminating other in this forum, i am just scolding my therapist not you guys with autism. like i am a person who has autism and like helping other with autism so they can be comfort in their way in their world. i also raise awareness for autism and hope people accept autistic difference including allowing them to play with other kids at their grown age and playing with toys and dolls. like this is a forum just for autism, not for mainstream people. so why cant i raise out my voice to get my right back of dont have to following age apropriate and social norm as an autistic person. this is freedom of speech. 

    so i am just raising my right as freedom of speech. 


  • well about the framing, you are wrong.

    I was referring to the sociological and biological considerations that to lesser or greater degrees ~ involves everyone as a human being, whether they are autistic or not, and whether they are involved directly or not, in terms of involving a societal concern.

    I was not therefore referring to framing people for crimes they had not commited ~ just that accidents occur and mistakes happen when people are not aware of or else ignore the facts of life, what with these including physical aggression and sexual tensions as become more the case throughout the teenage years.


    framing risk will be less for me as i am autistic. if anything goes wrong, i will just say well i am autistic, i am more likely to interact with children. well it wont be a risk for now. well i just do what comfort me.

    The problem is that if charges were brought against you that revolved around you being autistic ~ just saying or proving you are autistic will go against you. And you have already been informed by an autistic man that he was treated very poorly by the criminal justice system ~ which is not entirely unusual in other societal systems involving employment and health for example.


    I do not have to be slave by my therapist. 

    Of course not, but as long as your therapist is not discriminating against you as an autistic person who is psychologically maturing at a slower rate than is normally the case for non-autistic people, you are not entitled to discriminate against her on the basis that autism is free pass to do anything you want either. 

    Remember that equality in your situation with your therapist and society in general ~ involves that you can interact with children in terms of a shared interest in Disney toys and games to reasonable extent, and that interacting with more responsible people of your own age is also involved to a reasonable extent ~ in order that you can in a balanced way participate and develop in society as the talented individual that you are, and can more as such be. 


    like even a middleage woman can frame a man that he had touch her when she did not. so is that mean all men then shouldnt be interacting with other women? no, plenty of men are friends with women?

    same here applied to me interacting with the children.


    If we used the same structure as your argument and applied it to males as being like children and females as being adults ~ men would not learn to have interactions or then relationships with women, which rather proves the difficulty of you arguing that you do not want to interact with people of your own age ~ as there would be a lack of adult interaction development.


    we are all equal regardless of our age, especially for the special needs.

    There is another problem with your thinking, as more equality for those with special needs is less equality for those without them, and is not therefore equality at all!

    Equality involves equal allowances for ability and capacity so that people who need more time for instance to do something get more time to do so, and people who need less time to do the same thing get more time to do the next thing or other things instead. 

    We are all equals in terms of being in some ways similar (like as having organs, flesh and bones) and in other ways dissimilar (like having different abilities, capacities and interests).

    For example ~ you prefer socializing and playing with children involving Disney characters and fairytail themes (not too unlike others like Pikachu characters and stratigy games), whilst other autistic people prefer socializing with adults or elders because there is more in terms of experience and intellect that can be be shared.


    age appropriate shouldnt be applied on the special need as acting like a child is autistic adult nature, out playing with other children, going to the playground and still social the way a kids do.

    In the same way that when people do not exercise they tend to lose or never gain the strength and capacity to do things ~ you need therefore to develop your interactions with different age groups or your contact with people may well over time decrease, and as some autistic and non-autistic people find ~ they become very lonely.

    In order for you to develop appropriately it seems reasonable and relevant that you interact with people that are equivalent to and appropriate for your psychological age development (as perhaps not being so much a teenager yet mentally), just as it seems reasonable and relevant that you also interact with people that are equivalent to and appropriate for your physiological age development (as coming to the end of your teenage years physically) ~ so that you interactively develop in a balanced and healthy way involving people younger, older and about the same age as you.



  • based on "but making accusations of cowardice is defamation of character and misappropriating autistic people’s need for solitude to act on your behalf is discrimination ~ which is therefore against the community rules," why is that discrimination, i'm not discriminating any one wth disbility, i'm just raising my voice for the autistic people's right of being in their world and they do not have to follow the social norm and age apropriate things as long as they are not hurting anyone like interacting with children or loving toys and dolls.

    You were treating us as if we were your slaves, and you insulted us for not being brave slaves but instead cowards ~ because 'we' were not doing what 'you' wanted 'us' to do.

    Calling people cowards 'is' defamation of character, and decreeing your interests as being more important than other peoples required activities ~ 'is' discrimination.

    Defaming and discriminating against people is hurtful and being autistic does not make that acceptable ~ because this is an autistic website forum, and there are two sets of rules you have broken ~ with two from the first set being:


    4. Be nice to one another and enjoy chatting with others. We encourage conversation and respectful debate; however, insulting posts or comments making personal jibes will not be tolerated.

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    And with the third rule that you broke from the second set as being:


    1. Content must not be obscene, defamatory or libellous, vulgar, sexually orientated, hateful, threatening, or in violation of any laws.

    https://www.autism.org.uk/get-involved/about-us/website/site-terms.aspx


  • well about the framing, you are wrong. framing risk will be less for me as i am autistic. if anything goes wrong, i will just say well i am autistic, i am more likely to interact with children. well it wont be a risk for now. well i just do what comfort me. I do not have to be slave by my therapist. 

    like even a middleage woman can frame a man that he had touch her when she did not. so is that mean all men then shouldnt be interacting with other women? no, plenty of men are friends with women?

    same here applied to me interacting with the children.

    we are all equal regardless of our age, especially for the special needs. age appropriate shouldnt be applied on the special need as acting like a child is autistic adult nature, out playing with other children, going to the playground and still social the way a kids do.

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  • well about the framing, you are wrong. framing risk will be less for me as i am autistic. if anything goes wrong, i will just say well i am autistic, i am more likely to interact with children. well it wont be a risk for now. well i just do what comfort me. I do not have to be slave by my therapist. 

    like even a middleage woman can frame a man that he had touch her when she did not. so is that mean all men then shouldnt be interacting with other women? no, plenty of men are friends with women?

    same here applied to me interacting with the children.

    we are all equal regardless of our age, especially for the special needs. age appropriate shouldnt be applied on the special need as acting like a child is autistic adult nature, out playing with other children, going to the playground and still social the way a kids do.

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  • so do you mean by i can interact with children but i still need to interact with people at my own age as well as children?

    Well given that your psychological maturation is more like a child's, and your physiological age is more like an adult's, a measure of both interaction types would seem reasonable, so basically yes you still need to interact with children the same age as you mentally 'and' adults the same age as you physically.

    Your mind is maturing at one rate in terms of being younger, and your body is maturing at another rate in terms of being older, so these younger and older rates of maturation or development need to be accounted for and worked with at different times ~ to allow for your psychological (personal) and sociological (social) development to happen for you in a healthy life affirming way, as in terms of being an autistic person.

    Does that make sense?


  • so do you mean by i can interact with children but i still need to interact with people at my own age as well as children?


  • but why are you agree that my therapist to force me to interact with someone i dont like.

    I am not agreeing with forcing you to interact with someone you do not like, whereas I have been explaining to you the nature of society in order that you consider a balanced approach to socialization, and how 'you' can choose to go about achieving it in terms of your developmental maturation ~ or more simply growing up mentally to balance more with your age physically.

    This does not mean that I mean you have to give up your special interests and your interactions with those who share them.


    i know that i do need to have some people at my age, but i do not agree that i need to stop interacting with children just because of my age as that's agist.

    It is only you in this discussion that imagines you have to stop interacting with people that are younger than you.


    Well i'm telling you, you dont want me to discriminate those who are not in my group but they dont discriminate against me for playing with children younger than me just because of my age either as i am autistic. i have evry right to be difference. that is just being difference , interacting with cchildren way younger than me.

    All you need do is balance up your interactions as you have stated that you know you need to do in terms of interacting with people your own age.


  • deep thought, i want to know what do you think is mean that autistic people should be accepted? i know that i do need people who are similar age as me but that doesnt mean i need to stop playing with other children especially if they or their parent dont mind. i do not called this is acceptance if i was forced to adapt the social norm and the age appropriate concept. like what you said my therapist are trying so hard to stop me playing with other children just because of afraid of false accusation.

    like false accusation could happened between anyone of any age. like even a middle age woman can frame me that i had touched her when i did not. so does that mean i need to avoid interacting with woman just because i'm a male. no. that just restraining you from interact with people i want to interact with and i do not restrain me like that. plenty of men interact with woman. so why children is the special case. that's just age segregation between adult and children. i do not called this as equality and democracy. children are also the same as woman.

    well i am autistic, i do not follow the social norm or age appropriate to torture myself. no one will dare accuse me as i am autistic and disabled. and age difference friendship is just a difference which is normal for me and my nature. as long as i am not hurting anyone, then i should be free to be myself including interact with my little friends. 

    like i even heard once there was a girl age 25 who was severely autistic and one time, at the playground, she like running around with children and her mum dont mind and the children's parent dont mind as she is autistic. the mother even told other parent that "my daughter is autistic. she likes playing with children" and the parent saids " it's okay as long as she is fine with that". and her social worker even encourage her to interact with these children. 

    so why is that difference for me. well the society include the children should accpet autistic differences. as long as autistic people are not just hurting other for fun, then thats okay.

  • but why are you agree that my therapist to force me to interact with someone i dont like. JESUS CHRIST! i know that i do need to have some people at my age, but i do not agree that i need to stop interacting with children just because of my age as that's agist. Well i'm telling you, you dont want me to discriminate those who are not in my group but they dont discriminate against me for playing with children younger than me just because of my age either as i am autistic. i have evry right to be difference. that is just being difference , interacting with cchildren way younger than me.


  • and about the age difference friendship, are you saying i need to stop outplaying right away now because of my old age, this is pressing my red button?

    No ~ I was stating nothing of the sort. You were imagining that I a said what you were  pretending instead to be the case, even though I stated this:


    Of course not, but as long as your therapist is not discriminating against you as an autistic person who is psychologically maturing at a slower rate than is normally the case for non-autistic people, you are not entitled to discriminate against her on the basis that autism is free pass to do anything you want either. 

    Remember that equality in your situation with your therapist and society in general ~ involves that you can interact with children in terms of a shared interest in Disney toys and games to reasonable extent, and that interacting with more responsible people of your own age is also involved to a reasonable extent ~ in order that you can in a balanced way participate and develop in society as the talented individual that you are, and can more as such be. 


    A reasonable extent of interaction with children involves a reasonable extent of interaction with people about your own age and older also.

    So being that you are not yet as psychologically mature as you are physiologically ~ you need in part to interact with people who are psychologically the same age developmentally as you are, so that you mature with them in the way that children do, and you need also in part to interact with people who are physiologically the same age or older developmentally than you ~ so that you mature with them in the way adults do. 

    The basic problem (it very much seems) is that you have been thinking as many autistic people do in terms of 'absolutes' ~ involving what is called autistic black and white thinking, where everything you want to do (white thinking) involves children and nothing you want to (black thinking) involves adults, and when you previously read me stating that you need a bit of both ~ you only imagined one type of interaction wholly, rather than both partly.

    Is it possible then that your therapist actually requires you to interact a little more with people your own physical age, over time, and as such to interact a little less with children who are your own mental age?


    i do not have to have another meltdown and i dont want a terrible future as this could lead me to a terrible life.

    Well with a slow graduation from just interacting with children, you could also be interacting with adults who will sooner rather later have children themselves ~ or else risk the lonely life thing yourself more possibly?



  • based on "Defaming and discriminating against people is hurtful and being autistic does not make that acceptable ~ because this is an autistic website forum, and there are two sets of rules you have broken ~ with two from the first set being:" yeah this is autistic forum and i have autism. why would i be saying insulting things like this to other autistic people. Like that's evil to say insulting things to autistic people and i know that.

    I am even on the autistic side so why would i be defaming or discriminating you?


    You made an insult of cowardice as a defamation of character to challenge your assumption of other people's purported inaction by you of isolation ~ all for the purpose of bringing about a desirable action for your comfort.

    Remember also that autistic people are more likely to favor solitude or isolation than most non-autistic people ~ due to social interaction, communication and imagination problems that can be restrictive or even obstructive, and even if you did not mean to discriminate against autistic people ~ you were discriminating against people who prefer or need solitude anyway.

    Recall also too that being biased towards one group of people and discriminating against another group does not involve the recognition of everyone's equal rights.



  • Deepthought, why did you say i am discriminate you guys? i am just speaking up for my right and even speaking up for other autistic right. I am not insulting you here, i am scolding the mainstream society for putting pressure on me including age appropriate concept and social norm and especially for not allowed being friends with children just because of my age. why would you say i am insulting someone with a disability. I'm not. like i have autism here so why would i do something bad to someone who i understand what is like to be autistic.

    I'm just scolding my therapist.  I'm definately NOT treating you like slave. so why did you call me discriminating other in this forum, i am just scolding my therapist not you guys with autism. like i am a person who has autism and like helping other with autism so they can be comfort in their way in their world. i also raise awareness for autism and hope people accept autistic difference including allowing them to play with other kids at their grown age and playing with toys and dolls. like this is a forum just for autism, not for mainstream people.


    The discrimination issue has already been explained, but will need explaining again as you have done it again here with this forum not just being for autistic people:

    Purpose

    The purpose of the Community is to provide a safe and supportive forum for people on the autism spectrum, their parents, guardians, family, friends, colleagues, and those working in the field of autism to share experiences, views and opinions.

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    https://www.autism.org.uk/get-involved/about-us/website/site-terms.aspx


    so why cant i raise out my voice to get my right back of dont have to following age apropriate and social norm as an autistic person.

    Your rights like everybody else's rights involve what is appropriate to do by law according to a person's mental and physical ability to do what is befitting for everyone including themselves ~ with the social norm being the societal standards that must be followed as laws by everyone for everyone's safety and provision; equally.
    No one can be excluded from this as it includes everyone as being in some ways similar, and in other ways dissimilar ~ as previously explained regarding organs, flesh and bones as being similar to all, with all the abilities, capacities and interests that make us different.
    Your rights then like everyone else's are not then lost ~ but are either not understood, not comprehended or else are not recognizsed. This has applied to yourself in terms of you not fully understanding, comprehending or recognizing what your rights and other people's rights actually are here and elsewhere.

    so i am just raising my right as freedom of speech. 


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  • and about the age difference friendship, are you saying i need to stop outplaying right away now because of my old age, this is pressing my red button? i do not have to have another meltdown and i dont want a terrible future as this could lead me to a terrible life.

  • based on "Defaming and discriminating against people is hurtful and being autistic does not make that acceptable ~ because this is an autistic website forum, and there are two sets of rules you have broken ~ with two from the first set being:" yeah this is autistic forum and i have autism. why would i be saying insulting things like this to other autistic people. Like that's evil to say insulting things to autistic people and i know that.

    I am even on the autistic side so why would i be defaming or discriminating you?

  • Deepthought, why did you say i am discriminate you guys? i am just speaking up for my right and even speaking up for other autistic right. I am not insulting you here, i am scolding the mainstream society for putting pressure on me including age appropriate concept and social norm and especially for not allowed being friends with children just because of my age. why would you say i am insulting someone with a disability. I'm not. like i have autism here so why would i do something bad to someone who i understand what is like to be autistic.

    I'm just scolding my therapist.  I'm definately NOT treating you like slave. so why did you call me discriminating other in this forum, i am just scolding my therapist not you guys with autism. like i am a person who has autism and like helping other with autism so they can be comfort in their way in their world. i also raise awareness for autism and hope people accept autistic difference including allowing them to play with other kids at their grown age and playing with toys and dolls. like this is a forum just for autism, not for mainstream people. so why cant i raise out my voice to get my right back of dont have to following age apropriate and social norm as an autistic person. this is freedom of speech. 

    so i am just raising my right as freedom of speech. 


  • well about the framing, you are wrong.

    I was referring to the sociological and biological considerations that to lesser or greater degrees ~ involves everyone as a human being, whether they are autistic or not, and whether they are involved directly or not, in terms of involving a societal concern.

    I was not therefore referring to framing people for crimes they had not commited ~ just that accidents occur and mistakes happen when people are not aware of or else ignore the facts of life, what with these including physical aggression and sexual tensions as become more the case throughout the teenage years.


    framing risk will be less for me as i am autistic. if anything goes wrong, i will just say well i am autistic, i am more likely to interact with children. well it wont be a risk for now. well i just do what comfort me.

    The problem is that if charges were brought against you that revolved around you being autistic ~ just saying or proving you are autistic will go against you. And you have already been informed by an autistic man that he was treated very poorly by the criminal justice system ~ which is not entirely unusual in other societal systems involving employment and health for example.


    I do not have to be slave by my therapist. 

    Of course not, but as long as your therapist is not discriminating against you as an autistic person who is psychologically maturing at a slower rate than is normally the case for non-autistic people, you are not entitled to discriminate against her on the basis that autism is free pass to do anything you want either. 

    Remember that equality in your situation with your therapist and society in general ~ involves that you can interact with children in terms of a shared interest in Disney toys and games to reasonable extent, and that interacting with more responsible people of your own age is also involved to a reasonable extent ~ in order that you can in a balanced way participate and develop in society as the talented individual that you are, and can more as such be. 


    like even a middleage woman can frame a man that he had touch her when she did not. so is that mean all men then shouldnt be interacting with other women? no, plenty of men are friends with women?

    same here applied to me interacting with the children.


    If we used the same structure as your argument and applied it to males as being like children and females as being adults ~ men would not learn to have interactions or then relationships with women, which rather proves the difficulty of you arguing that you do not want to interact with people of your own age ~ as there would be a lack of adult interaction development.


    we are all equal regardless of our age, especially for the special needs.

    There is another problem with your thinking, as more equality for those with special needs is less equality for those without them, and is not therefore equality at all!

    Equality involves equal allowances for ability and capacity so that people who need more time for instance to do something get more time to do so, and people who need less time to do the same thing get more time to do the next thing or other things instead. 

    We are all equals in terms of being in some ways similar (like as having organs, flesh and bones) and in other ways dissimilar (like having different abilities, capacities and interests).

    For example ~ you prefer socializing and playing with children involving Disney characters and fairytail themes (not too unlike others like Pikachu characters and stratigy games), whilst other autistic people prefer socializing with adults or elders because there is more in terms of experience and intellect that can be be shared.


    age appropriate shouldnt be applied on the special need as acting like a child is autistic adult nature, out playing with other children, going to the playground and still social the way a kids do.

    In the same way that when people do not exercise they tend to lose or never gain the strength and capacity to do things ~ you need therefore to develop your interactions with different age groups or your contact with people may well over time decrease, and as some autistic and non-autistic people find ~ they become very lonely.

    In order for you to develop appropriately it seems reasonable and relevant that you interact with people that are equivalent to and appropriate for your psychological age development (as perhaps not being so much a teenager yet mentally), just as it seems reasonable and relevant that you also interact with people that are equivalent to and appropriate for your physiological age development (as coming to the end of your teenage years physically) ~ so that you interactively develop in a balanced and healthy way involving people younger, older and about the same age as you.