How I think

Good thoughts/bad thoughts

I suppose this is just a very basic way of how my mind works. I’ve used ‘we’ and terms like that but if this doesn’t apply to you, or if you’re not interested in how my mind works PLEASE DON’T READ and if you do read this post, for whatever reason, please remember, I’M NOT TRYING TO LEAD YOU or get you to think like me, this is how ‘I’ think, these are ‘my’ thoughts.

I DON’T ACTUALLY KNOW HOW ELSE TO SAY THIS. I ALREADY PUT IT AS A DISCLAIMER VERY CLEARLY BEFORE MY OTHER POSTS BUT PEOPLE STILL THOUGHT THAT THE THOUGHTS I THOUGHT WEREN’T MY THOUGHTS AND THEY FELT THE NEED TO REMIND ME THAT THEY ‘ARE’ MY THOUGHTS. YES, THESE ARE ‘MY’ THOUGHTS, I THOUGHT I’D MADE THAT CLEAR IN MY PREVIOUS DISCLAIMERS BUT CLEARLY NOT.

I don’t want to make a disclaimer every time I comment so if people struggle to accept that these are my thoughts, that I’m not trying to get people to think like me, then I strongly suggest you just don’t read anything I write. Block me if you can, if that’s possible.

I have enough on with looking after myself without thinking I’ll get some other people to think like me, as well!!! And what would be the point of that??? I can’t even begin to think why I would want to do that?!?!?!?

I love diversity and reject the sameness of our society in the U.K. It just doesn’t tally with any part of me to want people to think like me, it goes against everything I believe in (please don’t give me s**t for using that word, most people seem to have a shared understanding of it so I’m using it for ease of conversation). I wouldn’t even let my son go to school if he had to wear the same clothes as the other kids. I reject the dominant societal attitude that we all have to be the same. I don’t want people to think like me and therefore I am not trying to make people think like me. This is how ‘I’ think.

I wish I could write a post and block certain people from reading it, because I would be able to post freely then, but I can’t (I don’t think) so I may or may not continue being a member of this group. I’ll see. If people can leave me alone just to post and not accuse me of being a witch or a magician or having magic powers or whatever, I may stay, but I’m not sure and I’m definitely not comfortable and I don’t generally stay anywhere that I don’t feel comfortable so I probably won’t stay.

It’s a pity you couldn’t still burn me at the stake. I might have been able to prove that way that I’m not a witch, I don’t have magic powers and I’m not evil and out to hurt people. I might be dead but at least I’d be a dead person and not a dead witch. 

So this could be my last post so you can get out the banners and flags, the witch/magician/evil disgusting person is leaving Tada Anyway, if I am so disgusting, so evil, so heartless and out to hurt people, maybe NAS will ban me and that’l be the end of that anyway, you won’t have to burn me.

So this might be my last post. DC, this might show you a little of how my mind is logical. AGAIN, THIS IS NOT ABOUT ANYBODY ELSE’S MIND. IT’S ABOUT ‘MY’ MIND. I’M SORRY IF I’VE USED WORDS LIKE ‘WE’ BUT I DON’T WANT TO EDIT. Just try and pretend there’s another person on planet earth who thinks like me and that’s who I’m referring to ~ NOT YOU. I might even edit it actually, it might save me some hassle.

Good thoughts/bad thoughts 

If I think good thoughts, I feel good. If I think only good thoughts, I feel good all of the time. My actions that come from the good thoughts will further make me feel good and they too will inspire even more good thoughts. In fact, when I feel good, I often don’t think at all, I simply bask in all the good feelings.

If I think bad thoughts, I feel bad. If I think only bad thoughts, I feel bad all of the time. My actions that follow my thoughts will feel bad and will produce even more bad thoughts and the cycle of bad thoughts/bad feelings/bad actions continues, with rarely a break from any of it.

My thoughts, whether good or bad, will eventually, if I keep repeating them, become my habitual way of thinking. Thoughts that have become habitual become the basis of my belief system or my operating system. If I think a thought for long enough, good or bad, it will move from my conscious mind into my subconscious mind where it is now habitual, I think it even without thinking it. Meaning it is no longer my conscious mind that is choosing the thought, it is now a habit and over time it will be a belief, it will form my invisible base value system, my operating system, my belief system.

It’s a bit like when we learn to drive a car or learn to play a piano. When I first start out learning to drive a car, I have to think of every action I take, I have to look in the mirror, put my foot on the clutch, move the gear stick into position one. The same with the piano playing (sorry, got fed up of editing ~ where it says ‘we’, try to pretend it says ‘me’, it’s about me, not you, me) ... we are consciously aware of every key we touch etc. But over time, if we keep on repeatedly practicing the same action over and over again, it becomes almost like second nature. The whole process moves into our subconscious mind and we no longer have to consciously think, look in the mirror, put your left foot on the clutch pedal etc.

When people learn to drive a car or play the piano, after some time, it’s almost as if they can do it without thinking. They might even be able to listen to a song while they’re driving, or sing a song at the same time as playing the piano. Or in both examples, they might even be able to carry on a conversation that has nothing to do with driving or playing the piano because the subconscious mind takes care of all the actions etc, all the things we need to do in order to make the car move or the piano play harmonious music etc, which leaves our conscious mind/our surface mind free to do other things such as carry on a conversation, look at the view or sing a song along with the music we can now produce, almost without effort.

Let’s say, for example, as children, we were told repeatedly that we were loved dearly and that we are great and we’re good at and can do anything we put our minds to, and that other people are good, helpful and kind. We would take those thoughts on and take them on as our own. We would think, I am loved, I am great and I can do anything I put my mind to, other people are good, they’re helpful and kind. These thoughts over time become our habitual way of thinking. Nobody has to tell us anymore and we don’t have to consciously choose those thoughts or keep bringing them back from our subconscious mind/our memory or keep repeating them consciously over and over again because they’re fixed (not permanently) but they are now well bedded in, they have become our belief system. Our internal belief system now says we’re loved, we’re great and we can do anything we set our mind on, other people are also helpful, kind and good.

As we go through our day, we’re not mentally repeating how great we are, we’re likely not even thinking about it at all but because this is now our belief system, our operating system, a bit like the computers operating system, windows 10 or whatever (if that’s even an operating system, I’m not so great with knowing how computers work), but every piece of information that comes into our lives, via any one of our six senses will be processed via this base line operating system.

So, for example, if we find something we would like to do, we would know instantly that we can do it. We wouldn’t consciously know how to do it, if it’s something new that we’ve never done before but our operating system, that is working below our level of consciousness, tells us, you can do this. So we know we can do it, we have no idea how, but we know we can and we just know that so long as we put our mind to it we will do it. We might need instructions from somebody else, we might only need to read a short instruction manual. We might have to study hard for many years. It doesn’t matter how we get there because we know we will, and it is that knowing that guides us along the way towards what ever help we need in order to achieve our goal. Which could be to walk, run, ride a bike, learn to drive, play the piano, learn to be an astrologer etc etc.

If we were told we can’t do anything and people are bad, our situations would follow to match this thinking. For example, we would come up against something we wanted to do and unless it was something we had done before and therefore had ‘proof’ that we could do it we would think I can’t do that and people are bad so nobody will help me. And we would mostly therefore not even attempt this new thing because we have already decided we can’t do it and that nobody will help us so there is no logic to trying, none at all. We know we can’t do it so why would we try? We’re smart, we don’t generally set ourselves up for failure.

As we grow up and go through different stages of life, our beliefs systems chop and change with new information etc but we are never without subconscious thoughts and belief systems, even though we are barely, if ever, aware of them.

Some people understand this to some degree and think that if they simply think good thoughts they will have good things happen to them which is rarely what happens when a person tries this. Because this is not the bigger picture, in fact it is barely any of it. If a person understood just a little bit more than that of how the mind works, they would know that simply thinking thoughts at a conscious level is not going to change much at all and often times it will simply produce more frustration and disappointment and further proof that their life is s**t, it has always been s**t and it will always be s**t.

You could argue that if a person thought good thoughts for long enough and hard enough, maybe after 20 years or so they might start working. But that depends on how firmly grounded in our subconscious mind are our previous thoughts which run contradictory to our new thoughts.

What I’m trying to say is, the mind is a pretty simple system but if we have only a little bit of an understanding of how it works, like anything, we can get it horribly wrong. It is simple (when you know the system, like anything else) but it’s not as simple as thinking good thoughts gets good actions. That’s a bit like teaching a baby to count to five and expecting it to work out intricate equations.

When I talk, freely, not when I’m trying to help someone, but when I’m trying to help myself, I don’t explain every step of my thought process just so people can understand me. But this is a very basic way of understanding my mind. If your mind works differently then that’s perfect, this is my mind and it’s just a little explanation of how my logical mind works, so in future, people might refrain from slaughtering me because my mind works differently to theirs.

As Temple Grandin once said, ‘the world needs all kinds of minds’ and it does, of course it does.

I don’t want people to think like me. In AA I was taught to share my experience and my experience only and it may or may not help somebody else but it will help me. I know this is not AA but it has a similar element, i.e. we all share the experience of autism in some way. My experience of autism will be different from others because I think differently, and that’s the same for all of us. But we have some similarities as well and sometimes another person’s experience, view point or whatever can help us in our experience.

I’m not a witch or a magician, I don’t have magic powers I’m just like anyone else here, I’m trying to get a better understanding of my autism so I can avoid further burnouts like I’ve been in for over 12 months. I’ve even got bed sores because I’ve barely moved in all that time. I’m not trying to get people to think like me I’m simply trying to help myself so I don’t have to spend any more years in burnout and if my efforts to help myself, help somebody else, great, if they don’t, great, but I’m not a witch and I’m not trying to hurt anybody but if that’s the way you all feel, maybe NAS will take the initiative and ban me.

It has been made clear to me that my thoughts, therefore, ‘I’ am disgusting and they can’t even believe that NAS has let me on this site. I’ve been told I am a witch, I have magic powers, I am heartless, insensitive, disgusting and they can’t believe I’m even allowed to exist in this world I’m so bad. Well you’re not the first person to say that and of course, I eventually came to consider it could be true. I thought I loved everyone, equally, but came to consider that maybe I am deluded, maybe I am bad but because I couldn’t stop loving all people, I decided the logical thing to do was to kill myself, so I couldn’t harm others, so that’s what I tried to do, several times. I might try again who knows, but not because somebody on here told me I’m so disgusting I shouldn’t be allowed to exist, but because I’d rather be in my world where people do love each other and don’t call each other names, just because they’re different and they would rather help and understand rather than kill them and have them burnt at the stake. I thought we ended all that witch burning a long time ago. Clearly not.

  • ありがとう, どういたしまして.

  • Thank you DC, your comment has made my day, truly it has and it has warmed my heart. Thank you so so much, I can’t tell you how much your comment means to me and how it has given me that extra spring in my step today. Thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you a million times over. I really appreciate it. Honestly, your comment has touched me deeply. I’m on my way out the door in a few miby tes (and I’m still in bed See no evil), which is probably a good thing otherwise I might be in danger of going into every detail of why it means so much to me! Lol! But it’s fair to say, it’s very much appreciated and it has and will continue to have a huge impact on me. Thank you Pray tone3 

    I might look like a lion or a tiger or some other wild beast on the outside but I’m a little kitten on the inside  and genuine support from others is always gratefully received and it always goes a long way, I never waste a drop of it ~ like a little kitten lapping up her cream Blush

  • ...This is just a reply to say a Thank You for your Post at myself. I would carry on posting examples of what I meant by challenging *and* supporting your Logic... yet certain circumstances *are* against myself. Nothing to do with anything or anyone here upon this Forum. Please keep on being yourself, Miss BlueRay... and do keep on travelling - here and Abroad!      :-)  

  • I’m all good Ellie. I was upset, I had a major meltdown, in public!!! Lol! But it turns out it was the first time I have ever had a meltdown in front of somebody (actually second) who actually understood what was happening to me and knew not only how to deal with it in the actual moment, but she also taught me how to deal with the aftermath. 

    It was amazing. It was in the job centre and my work coach, who has worked with people with severe autism for 7 years, taught me to not think and obsess over what had caused the meltdown (two seemingly separate incidents) and I was amazed. I had never actually not thought before to not to think about the thing that caused it. It seems so obvious to me now, that that is what I should do, but I had never thought to do that before. 

    So I actually learned a great deal from this and I have so much more confidence now in dealing with meltdowns. 

    A few days or a week or so prior to this, I prevented a major meltdown by stimming in public but she helped me to take it a step further. When I’m in a meltdown there’s nothing I can do at that point to prevent it. It’s already happened, but now I can prevent it from continuing on for hours or days. So it turned out to be a good thing. And I’ve done more work around this since then and I’m now free from any and all debilitating thoughts. 

    Who’d have known it was that simple? Not me! Lol! So it was quite a revelation. It was my obsessive thinking that ensured it continued! 

    I never ceased to be amazed how I can miss things that once I see them, seem so obvious. The mind is certainly a fascinating thing :-) 

  • So I guess I built up enough trust and confidence to be me, I let myself be vulnerable, I got stung

    Ooooo... I know that one... so, off I flit again until it seems safe to land again.... and then.......ouch and flit....


  • I’m not going anywhere.

    Yay !


  • Glad you enjoyed it DC. To be fair, apart from the ones who were burning me at the stake (excluding Tom) most people might not understand everything I say but I think you all knew my heart was in the right place and this all started because I was feeling grateful for the friendship people were showing me! Lol! These threads helped me anyway, a lot, which is what we come here for. At least I know I can over rule my black and white thinking! :-) 

  • Dear DC I  think you understand my mind quite well, I am a mere mortal with many flaws, I invite anyone to voice an opinion on my thoughts as I expect the possibility of it. My rules, my terms,

    Therefore by saying as much ,I May not be totally surprised if indeed it happens.

    I also like your humour, I often get a hold of myself, just to make sure all of this is not just a dream,My upper lip is suitably stiff, however my bottom lip has been known to quiver somewhat given reason enough.

    Thank you for your reply as always, I embrace  your right to be heard, 

    I will defend anyone’s right to be heard, 

    I may not agree with words I hear but an opinion is just that, one thought by one individual .

    take care and thank you for thinking of my welfare.

    x()x

  • No doubt I have said something that can be used against me in some form or another,feel free if anyone wants to. 

    To Mr.LoneWarrior...Because it is YOU (!), I attempt to offer the following, which might not altogether at first reading seem to be helpful...

    Good Grief, Man, get a hold of yourself: Stiff Upper Lip, An Englishman Will Walk But Never Run, Keep Calm And Carry On...and all of that...?

    Also: I myself *am* very much of the Paranoid, Scared, and Wary sort... yet even so, I would not like to actually *invite* hostility...! And so, be careful, as I often say.

    Fair Play to All, again...  (Sorry if this was inappropriate to the seriousness of this Thread.)

  • Thank you BlueRay for your kind words.

    I am who I am, I make mistakes, I get things wrong. But deep down I always try to do right by others.

    I have one big flaw in my caring abilities, if I see anyone I think is being put upon or being talked down to or just plain being misunderstood and sense they are themselves suffering I go into defend mode, I am not proud of who I then become, It incenses me to see others no matter who or how capable they seem struggling or feeling sad. Often I misjudge things, the person in question may not appreciate my butting in.I sometimes am not aware of all the facts and misjudge things completely.

     I do however understand why I feel this way,

    I have spent a lifetime of suffering myself, I have used many coping strategies along the way, I used to openly cry as a youngster, become a quivering mess, that didn’t seem to be acceptable and was often told to pull myself together and stop being lazy and concentrate more.

    I eventually learnt my best defence was to actually seem as if I didn’t want to learn or care about anything. It worked but only in that it was now expected and on my terms, any punishment became expected, I would take it all, internalise it, show no emotion as that would be a sign of weakness, my rules,on my terms,

    It worked as I was no longer worth bothering with so pretty much got left alone, Yes it did me no good as I achieved nothing at school, when it came to exams I had few I could actually do as I hadn’t enough coarse work to entitle me too.

    That hurt very much as I knew I could have scratched through enough to have achieved a pass mark  in many subjects.

    I had  no concept of how important school work was,

    It was to late when the realisation set in. I had unknowingly ruined my chances,

    it made me seem cold to others as my emotions were guarded and I appeared to not care when inside I would be crying,

    Anyway back to my weak points, I get upset if I assume some one is suffering through the actions of others, 

    It overwhelms me as I feel the pain of the past sweep over me once again I am transported back to all the suffering and bullying I endured.

    I don’t have much control over it, I sometimes wish I had kept well out of it, but I can only do what I feel compelled too?

    I try to use fire to fight fire, I try to show that an assumption by another can be used in various ways. 

    My aim is to try and show someone what I think they themselves are doing that can at times without malice cause offence or distress,

    There is so much injustice in this world, 

    I am far from perfect, I certainly do not wish to be the protector of all, 

    No doubt I have said something that can be used against me in some form or another,feel free if anyone wants to. 

    These are my words, how I think. I speak for no one, I judge no particular individual ,I merely feel I need to tell it as I see it.

    If I have upset anyone ever on here I apologise. I may be Aspergers ,I am also human, 

    Aspie hugs to any that feel they want one, x()x()x()x()x(),,,,,,() () () (),

  • DC, this might show you a little of how my mind is logical.
    I think what you are talking about is actually called ‘Schemas’ in the field of Psychology. A 'Schema' is like an unconscious ‘blueprint’ from which all else we experience is measured (or judged) by us.

    Glad Tidings to all... 

    Firstly: ...It took me 2 and 1/2 reads of this long Starting Post, before I notice.... and then realise...

    "... 'DC'...?? Yeeeek! Is that *me*? Run awaaay...."

    Lastly: Thank Goodness for that initial response... I had been thinking about all of that "Dislike" for BlueRay, and was thinking along very different lines of, um, "Unconditional Love" and "Universal Laws of Attraction"... yet then AngelDust suggests that...

    To BlueRay, it took some three-to-five Threads, in order to finally gain an "Officially" Accepted Term, hmmm...? But you did it, and so good on yourself for persevering...and to all here, this is a *Darn* good Thread, and Thank You all for it...!

  • You be yourself and think what you think and that's fine with me. Let the judgemental people rot in you know where.

  • Please do not take anything Ellie said out of context. She was supporting me. She was being truthful but not implicating anybody, just letting me know that we know that this is how the world works, we all on here have experienced this and have been guilty of it ourselves. She was simply supporting me and her comments therefore are not for others to rip apart. We all know Ellie isn’t having the time of her life right now so it was an incredible act of courage, bravery and friendship for a fellow aspie that instigated her response. It is not open to be ripped apart. 

  • Thank you LoneWarrior, you have always given me (and others) such tender loving support. You meet each one of us where we’re at and you don’t care where that is, you don’t judge, you do the opposite, you simply wrap us in your virtual hugging arms and love us, regardless.

    That kind of love comes from a deeply loving heart that I know only too well. I also know clearly the post you’re talking about. I was so glad that you replied because I couldn’t. But you said what I wanted to say so I was just glad it was said, and you said it much better than I could. 

    The only reason I can give you, for my inner strength, is that when I came into this world, I wasn’t met with a loving, peaceful atmosphere/environment. I had nobody or nothing, other than what I called, my little light within me, to rely on. It was loving and kind and never left me, even when I thought it had. When I thought it had I would pray to my father. I didn’t come from a religious family and I didn’t know about god, but I just knew I had a father and it wasn’t this man in my life who called himself that. When my little light was so low that I thought it had left me, I prayed for my fathers love and strength to help me through and he always gave it to me.

    I have told some people only a fraction of some of the experiences and violence I’ve experienced and it shocks them, literally, so much, that I stopped talking about it. It didn’t help me and it certainly didn’t help the person I was telling so I stopped. Because the only thing I really had was my little light inside of me and my father ~ the other stuff, didn’t really matter compared to my light, those things came and went but my little light stayed. 

    It’s not always easy to trust in yourself so completely, but when you have nobody else to trust, you have no choice. I didn’t understand the people around me, they didn’t make sense to me, but my little light didn’t need to make sense, it was just always there and when it wasn’t, my daddy, my father, who then become something/someone I called god, always was. My idea of this light, then father/god changed over the years as I learned more about life, but I still had this life in me that never left me. 

    I have never wanted to change others and I’ve never tried and nobody needs me to give them a second chance. I’m not their judge. If somebody rapes me one day, I don’t judge them the next. That’s not my job. My job is to learn not to get raped, and I did, eventually. 

    I’m not advocating rape or putting the blame on the victim. I’m simply saying how I deal with things like that. I don’t judge anybody and I love everybody. Like you, there’s good in everybody. Those people who raped me were on their journey, I have no comment on that. I had to learn mine. I didn’t like getting beaten up etc so I found ways to not have it happen to me. I trusted my inner light for this. I had nobody I trusted in life to help me with this, to protect me, I knew I had to find a way to protect myself and if I listened to my little light, I knew I’d be alright. It had got me through life so far. 

    Over the years I built up more confidence in me and the more I understood about others and life, the more I relied on Love as my guide and teacher. If I loved somebody, what would my thoughts be like? What would they be saying? If I listened to my hurt and people who said this was bad or that was bad, I didn’t like my thoughts. I once wanted to kill a girl at school. That’s what happened when I listened to other people instead of this love, this little light, which I seemed to understand, even if it was trial and error. No matter how long it took, it would always bring me back to a place of love, which I understand. I didn’t understand all the conditional love and people suddenly becoming judges etc. 

    The world doesn’t need changing. If you try to change the world or the people in it, you are trying to change reality. You’re trying to change what is. It’s like trying to turn a daffodil into a rose. It’s not going to happen.  But when you have a heart full to overflowing with an endless stream of love, for you, your brothers and sisters, the earth and all her creatures, you see the perfection in everything and you see that the world or her people don’t need to change, only we do and then, the world changes anyway. 

    As Ghandi was reported to have said, to change the world you have to be the change. That usually goes against everyone in the world that you know, but if you want to live in a world full of peace, love, forgiveness, understanding, kindness, generosity, diversity, joy and unity, you have to first be that in your own mind, heart and soul and then, you change the world. Many men have used great power and weapons to fight wars and they still lost the battle. Ghandi simply said, be the change and he was and he changed the world.

    Millions of people like him, ordinary people, are doing it on a daily basis all over the world and no one will ever know. This is the highest most greatest act of love to the world. Most of these people are who most people would call an ordinary, normal, quiet, insignificant, every day person you would barely even notice, but they are having a greater impact on humanity than any terrorist laws or acts or whatever could ever have. If you want to live in a world of love and peace, you simply be that. 

    I’m not going anywhere. My aspie brain screamed ‘I’m never going on there again, not ever’ ~ but I had my meltdown, got it out of my system and I calmed down. This is a triumph, less than a year ago I would never have done that. I would have stormed off and just never come back. 

    Thank you for your continued suppprt and the hug Blush

  • Thank you Ellie, you’ve made me cry, but good tears this time. Thank you, you can say things much better than me. 

    This all culminated (with another big vulnerability being revealed at the autism group) in a big meltdown but I had help on hand (my job centre coach) and I’ve come through it with greater strength but with more humility. It’s not that I will try to please others but instead concentrate on those I do please. 

    We don’t all like the same music, not all songs please us, and it’s the same with people. 

    Thank you. I wouldn’t be here without you. Trust me. That day I came here for the first time was because I could see no other way other than to end my life. You not only helped me through that and gave me a reason to live but you gave me the confidence to speak how I have been speaking recently, without putting all the filters and guards up. It wasn’t so much that I wanted people to understand me, I just wanted to talk. I didn’t even know if anyone would read what I said, let alone understand it. I just felt safe to talk, so I guess I let a big guard down and left myself open to be very vulnerable but I survived it. And you’re here now to reassure me that it’s ok, I did it, it caused a bit of upset but it’s ok, I don’t have to do black and white thinking, I can learn from this and move on with greater strength and clarity and after all those tears I cried in meltdown, I definitely feel a whole lot lighter! 

    I had my trusted wellies on at the start your own business course/day thing yesterday, and no one batted an eye. I think the world are accepting my wellies as well Blush. They don’t understand me or why I wear wellies but it was a great day and I didn’t seem to upset anyone by just being me. So I guess I built up enough trust and confidence to be me, I let myself be vulnerable, I got stung, but I survived and I survived my autistic black and white thinking mind. Thank you X

  • People on its own surely means in any one group there will be some who see differently?

    Hi lonewarrior,

    My point precisely but Ellie projected her opinions onto me by the use of the term "people" I may or may not agree with the points made. I want to hear her opinions but not be included in those by implication. Laddie.

  • Hi Laddie

    no implication is intended...sorry... time for me to jog on as well! ...bye