Published on 12, July, 2020
In a country where you have freedom speach I don't care to be sensored by mods I just find it ironic how we claim to think differently and that are autism does mean we're not all the same yet only the same opinions or same stories seem to be acceptable. Find this site some what hypercritcal at times. Also how come people are aloud to come in and preach religion to us yet were not aloud to discuss weather we don't believe in it or not and are reasons for why we don't.
Good man, decent post!
already pointed that out myself. that freedom most people cannot comprehend and when they got it they wouldnt want it as theyd want their cages back as their cages and dictators offer security and structure of life. hence pointed out how freedom doesnt exist for we trade it in for security and freedom is chaos that none of us would like and yet our governments would always claim that they are representatives of freedom when they quite clearly arnt and cannot be.the part of me that wants structure and security and wants to play ball with society is the part of me that respects and desires law and order, to the point of authoritarianism, to the point of rioters must be dealt with in a way that permanently deals with that threat to order of society..... but yet my isolationist want to stay out of society hermit part of me that just wants to live in a forest away from any human in peace is the part that desires that harsh freedom in which most of humanity would perish and our structures would fall and perhaps a world in which i can find and attain that untouched peace would come about if i survived it lol but if i didnt survive i wouldnt care and so id have got peace anyway. which makes it very attractive.my mind has always been very polar opposite like that though, on one hand desiring things to be absolute right and ordered, and on the other hand desiring to just quit and not caring and letting things tumble as they are in order to gain peace. i guess to me if things arnt done correct then the best thing is to say *** it and let it fail. if you dont do it right dont do it at all. if it doesnt work no point in tryna half ass it.i guess my natural sense is the quitter sense, the sense to see that struggling to attain order is like trying to swim against a strong current, your still going down stream but by the time you arrive downstream your shattered and worn out and stressed, while if you just relaxed and did nothing youd get to the same place without stress and be perfectly fine. this is why its best to say *** it and quit if things dont go right, because even if you quit your still ending in the same place anyway no matter what you do. struggle only needlessly wears you down in everything. the poor person ends up in the same position as the person that worked all their life, the worker stressed and toiled for nothing by results. all in all everyones life is just heading to death, all paths is a dead end because life is a dead end, so theres really no point trying or struggling in anything. so you quit, and find happiness, and then perhaps realise society could do with that, maybe order needs to fall to chaos, maybe we need freedom no matter what cost it comes with, because no matter the cost we was all going to die anyway in whichever path we went down. most mental illness would perhaps not even exist if we didnt have life the way it is, mental illness is perhaps humans trying ti slot themselves into this modern way of ordered life which we perhaps cant live to. as we see many on here have trouble getting a job or getting on in life, but perhaps that wouldnt be the case if we let society collapse, perhaps they would be the ones with the best natural instincts to survive in a dangerous world of freedom and their natural instincts are the thing that make them not be able to exist in a structured societal ordered world.ahhhh im totally getting massively sidetracked there with brain farts lol im not sure whether its night time that makes me thing and go on like that or the fact i havent had much time to random text vomit in a while.
Caelus. The "exclusionary sjw lefty offence culture" IS mainstream thinking at this time in history.
I suspect you'll agree.
I've personally been nominated for exclusion from this forum THREE times since I joined, by EXACTLY those types, but the admin people have seen though that crap..
Indeed at one point, when a particularly insane leftist lost his marbles and started accusing me of all sorts of unpleasantry, up to and including being a "holocaust denying member of the national socialist party" (yet the lefty's identify as "socialists"!) there was a bit of an uprising here where people actually stood by me!
But. It wasn't really very pleasant for anyone, and to be honest, I bear some of the responsibility for what happened because it was my post that "triggered" the bloke, even though that was not my intent.
Politics at the moment is super "triggering" for many people, as we have recently been conditioned by our media to be that way. We are a forum jam packed with people who are a bit fed up with getting the sh177y end of the stick, so the requirement that we try and be accepting of each other and not go looking for "controversy" is a fair one. And reasonable too, after all the internet is a big place, it isn't hard to find a forum where it is more appropriate to have a full on political discussion. It is getting hard to find a forum where you can say what ever you like, admittedly.
On the one forum where I go where that used to be the case, although it was fascinating to watch (and somewhat cathartic to join in) most such discussions seemed to rapidly gravitate towards vile obscenity and unsupported personal accusations of sexual misconduct. Actually, pretty much all of them, apart from those that were calling outright for the elimination of entire countries with nuclear weapons, usually middle eastern ones, (presumably because they can't wipe us out in return..)
However, in amongst al the dreck that appears when you allow people to say ANYTHING, some fundamental truths and suppressed information also got an airing, making the whole unpleasantness somewhat educational.
I, for example, have never understood why one particular group of people have been persecuted throughout history.
When I got to see representatives of that culture and their would-be persecutors duking it out on a public forum, quite a lot of (previously unknown to me) factual information emerged, and now I do understand why that has happened so consistently to those particular people. It was also "transferrable knowledge" that gave me a better insight into why I-Sperg occasionally has to deal with persecution.
So yes, unrestricted speech in the right place I feel is very desirable and neccesary, but clearly that place is not this forum. The NAS are clearly trying to create a more loving and supportive environment where we can deal with AUTISM rather than politics.
Maybe I'll see you on zerohedge one day? Now that is a place where you can have all the political discussion your heart could ever desire, but even there, the google "censor" has wheedled it's way in, and now you can't say just anything you like, so it's a bit less visceral than it used to be. But it's about as close to totally free speech as you are ever likely to encounter in this brave new world.
"Freedom without responsibility" is such an attractive concept, until you realise that is what they were enjoying in most of Africa until we showed up.
If you want freedom to live your life without some self appointed warlord and his cronies excercising his freedom to try and take your life, the only way you get that if if everyone agrees to be less "free" in that way. "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law" is the creed of the Satanists and is also known as the "Law of the jungle".
Which raises the question, how much "freedom" do you want to give to those people who would cheerful use it to oppress or exterminate people like you and me? Do you for example applaud the "freedoms" that were recently extended to BLM to act as they sit fit in american cities? Do you support Kyle Rittenhouse's freedom to carry a rifle? Do you support freedom of religious expression for the religions who tell their followers that they are the ones chosen by god and that all others are by that religions definition "subhuman" and only there to be exploited?
"Freedom" is not so simple is it?
far as i can tell im sticking to the rules, i doubt anyone uses the forums as a info about autism thing but rather as perhaps finding others that they identify with or feel similar to as theyd likely have suffered a lifetime of social alienation if they truly have autism. hence they come to a forum like this to perhaps find out if they click with others. so all this exclusionary sjw lefty offence culture isnt really welcome here for the use of the forum as it acts as another layer of exclusionism and alienation which isnt what people coming here want. in a way it needs to be more centrist, as centrism is the acceptance and listening to all sides and not excluding either or giving either of the other sides the power to exclude the other.
Caelus said:nature doesnt care about your societal laws though...
They are not my societal laws, and the issue being addressed is actually the freedom of expression on this website of forums, and the community rules involved with so doing.
Caelus said:thats the thing...
Only it wasn't...
Caelus said:you think freedom is to stick to and abide by law....
Caelus said:but then you also bring this babble about the fundaments of nature that honestly dont fit with law as law is a man made construct that nature honestly doesnt care about.
Only you were the one imaginatively making up and incorrectly making out that I did not know what freedom in nature involves, as being in fact that babble you brought up as having nothing to do with freedom of expression on this website; in respect of the community rules.
Caelus said: law was made to bind the darkest parts of nature. hell even the grey parts and the slightly white parts lol but nature and instinct still are here despite all the attempts at humans to create a world in which we are robots and no longer natural beings. ofcourse one day they will probably make brain chips to kill all emotion and natural responses and the self all to unaturally fit us to their idea of law, which by the way always changes and isnt really fitting to morals most of the time considering law is mainly in favour of rich corporations these days to make us all slaves.
‘They’ don’t need neurological chips to control people and nor as such do they work reliably for any length of time ~ in that human ‘beings’ are trans~dimensional in terms of being spatial, and human bodies are at least 7 dimensional with also 11 dimensional networkings in terms of being formational, and chip technology and programming only works in relationship with 3 dimensional formations, and anything more dimensionally involves capacities and functions that are harmonic to and accordant with living up to the most fulfilling human potential.
In the meantime ~ corporations only need to have people compulsively addicted to buying or renting the latest or cheapest chip devices, which enable them to make industrial levels of profit for the corporations.
The corporations gladly therefore facilitate, identify and affirm people as they increasingly shadow cast each other in tribal and non-tribal blaming and shaming (divide and conquer) theatrics, and thereby as such they become progressively more imprisoned in the sensational, reproductional and imaginal frame-working of their own mind.
Shadow casting unfortunately as such corruptively obstructs and disempowers the functional networkings of the emotional, communicational, sentimental and rational sensibilities ~ a bit like the lights getting dimmed in cinemas to draw more attention to the feature film, only cinema lights aren’t dimmed to reduce the amount of damage being done as such to the architectural integrity of the cinema building itself.
That is why irrational spending and selling is unhealthy ~ biologically and ecologically, just as like pollution is shadow casting is too ~ psychologically and psychologically; unhealthy.
Thus as such this community was designed to be a safe and welcoming place for those that use and visit it for support and information about autism.
By joining this community you agreed to be bound by the community rules, as being the societal laws here.
I think you must have skim read my post.
Good post. It helps me too. Just reading the posts and sometime posting a reply or starting a new thread which might help me or somebody elsei n some way. . Enjoy the ride
You seem like you're getting really easily offended by the fact that a lot of people aren't agreeing with you. In my opinion you're also being needlessly confrontational about it. Why not just stick to the stuff that people don't take issue with? Or just don't post at all.
starting position: freedom of speech good, mmmkay
ending position: freedom of speech bad when interlocutors disagree with me, mmmkay
Jesus Christ this is why I can't get on with my own kind you guys are way to sensitive. If the world was run by us it would empload or everyone would be in prison due to being offended by everything. Just because you don't like it when someone slags off your political party. You know what *** this. And you know what I'm not like you cause you know what I'm ASD/ADHD/Dyspraxia. and maybe I do hate my autism maybe I do t want to accept it and maybe I don't have to accept.
nature doesnt care about your societal laws though... thats the thing... you think freedom is to stick to and abide by law.... but then you also bring this babble about the fundaments of nature that honestly dont fit with law as law is a man made construct that nature honestly doesnt care about. law was made to bind the darkest parts of nature. hell even the grey parts and the slightly white parts lol but nature and instinct still are here despite all the attempts at humans to create a world in which we are robots and no longer natural beings. ofcourse one day they will probably make brain chips to kill all emotion and natural responses and the self all to unaturally fit us to their idea of law, which by the way always changes and isnt really fitting to morals most of the time considering law is mainly in favour of rich corporations these days to make us all slaves.
i missed the part where you said anything about any politician tbh lolmainly saying that if someone wants to make a person lose their job for something they say and claim thats consequence, then that person loses their job because of that cry baby and thus they will likely be set on a road to ruin and death and in their last days they will likely get revenge and cause harm to the person that did it, which would also be consequences and the people calling for consequences for words need to accept that their consequences also have consequences themselves. and sometimes the rolling of consequences never ends.
Can I just say that user Chris's 'Is the UK sexier now?' politics thread was a lot more fun and witty than this one.
Here you go: (1) Is the UK sexier now? - Autistic adults - Home - National Autistic Society - our Community (autism.org.uk)
Everyones concepts and beliefs of the above are wildly different. Many people choose not too talk about them because, they hold them dear. Especially religious and spiritual beliefs.
I dont think you dont "believe" in them because if you didn't.....it's sort of like saying you dont in the tooth fairy but....lets have a discussion with people who do....and tell them their belief isn't real, or worse....wrong. Thats a persons choice.
You remind me of me, when i was younger....I also liked to challenge people and their beliefs because i thought I was "right". Had to get burned alot and learn a few ego lessons. It made me a more understanding person. People avoided me because of this and i dont blame them.
Dont be too quick to judge people because they dont agree with what you think is real vs what is actually real.....it's a very sobering lesson, one you'll learn eventually....some people dont....but thats also fine.
I hope you take on board some of the comments, there are some smart people on here and they definately aint thinking/behaving all the same, so try not to categorize everyone because they wont engage in spikey chats....it may be beneath them.
Also, I actually enjoy your posts.....so i dont judge you for your opionions......i just dont agree with how this one how gone. It is what it is. You go easy on yourself and dont be triggered over things that you cant control or....believe in, Not worth it
In short, we are living in weird and unpleasant times, which has virtually everyone on edge, and this is a site full of people who are already aggravated, so yes, there are rules which have been carefully worked out to suit the greatest number and diversity of us Autists.
Most of those rules will work for you anyway, (unless you are opposed to "rules" as a concept) but this is the NAS's forum, they did the hard work and absorbed the expense of setting it up, so it's only right they get to set the rules.
Life is already hard for us 'spergs, we have to have somewhere where people aren't deliberately setting out to annoy us.
"Discussion" is one thing, but when a posters politics are such that he or she advocates forcibly assaulting those who do not agree with their position, I.E. "vax refusers" in your case, that's not a discussion. It's more like what they call "hate speech" these days. To use a quaint american expression; "that dog simply won't hunt..."
"Discussions" take great skill, young Jedi, which is acquired by practice, not running away. Take a break by all means when this place annoys you, but don't cut yourself off from your kind, just because we don't want to have a "discussion about politics"
Life is hard enough.
And for what it's worth, although your politics clearly have issues, and your approach to forum interactions clearly could use a bit of polishing, I like something about you, and would miss your input.
Well, all but the bit where you offer to (try and) forcibly "vaccinate" the likes of me! (That was very a very annoying idea indeed!)
Lot of complaining and trauma on this thread. I wrote the thread below for exactly this situation:
https://community.autism.org.uk/f/mental-health-and-wellbeing/24972/forum-survival-advice
Now you COULD bail out, like many do when confronted by argument, or you could try and get your head around what a fair few people here are trying to tell you.
This forum is here to serve the Autistic community, and help us see ourselves and work out how to deal with our problems and advantages. It simply isn't a politics forum, and as we've seen a few times, "politics" is very stressful and upsetting for a lot of people.
BUT you CAN also have your cake and eat it, like I do.
I do "Autism" here, (mostly, I'm old and tend to ramble) and "politics" elsewhere. Although it has softened enormously in recent years, ZeroHedge still is a mighty fine place to go and do politics in their comments section, which still has some of the "fightclub" mentality left.
The forum survival advice I've given applies to any and all the forums I've been on over the last decade or so, and will make you stronger and allow you to survive with your mental equilibrium intact when others are being "frustrating".
In real life, you would undoubtedly have considerable prescence simply by getting visibly annoyed, on the internet it is different. It's all mind games, and aggressiveness is a fatal weakness. You see that on the hedge, all the time. (That's why I used to go there, it was an immense learning experience on how to deal with annoying bast- well, you know what I mean...
Being "nice and understanding of others" isn't a weakness, it's both a defense and also a weapon...
It's also a lot more FUN.
And never forget it's possible for you to have got the wrong end of the stick, either because someone used imprecise or difficult language or simply because you read what you expected not what was actually there.
I had to tell someone several times a while back (on a different, mercifully vanished, thread) that I did not pay anything at all for my personal "wayseer" experience, not a single penny, yet still they didn't get what I was trying to say, and kept banging on about my "foolishness"!
I could have been rude, (Whoever it was, was being really "dense" and persistent about my supposed giving my money to the guy in question, and I'd already come to regret starting that particular thread without revisiting the website to check it out first.) but what would have been the point?
I'm sure the guy wasn't "shining me on", he just hadn't read one post properly, and consequently thought me to be a fool easily parted from his money. It can be a LOT of effort to shift that sort of idea, and if I'd really pushed the point home with brutally clear language, the other guy would experience feelings worse than my brief annoyance. This is an AUTISM forum, not fightclub, I can just let it slide...
When I fancy a challenge like that, I just go to a different forum and find myself a "Flat earther", they can be endless fun...
Caelus said:Freedom is the ability to abide with the fundaments of nature and or the laws of society ~ which in the current context on this website of forums involves following the Community rules. so to you freedom is to abide by some narrow laws and guidelines that some other human made?
Freedom is the ability to abide with the fundaments of nature and or the laws of society ~ which in the current context on this website of forums involves following the Community rules.
so to you freedom is to abide by some narrow laws and guidelines that some other human made?
Not as far as the fundaments of nature go, being that they are the natural features of existence that in absolute spatial, infinite dimensional and finite formational terms ~ embodies everything that is not on the whole humanity's creation.
So it seems that you did not know what fundaments were in the given subject as being:
Caelus said:its as i thought, you dont know what freedom is. freedom is chaotic and uncaring and vast, if you had freedom youd probably not know what to do with it and then want to be dominated by a authoritarian lord again as a form of comfort for someone else to direct your destiny and make your life and rules for you again lol freedom just isnt for everyone, perhaps its better that way anyway as it is too chaotic for any form of society or good life to function. but we shouldnt misrepresent what it is by saying its something that its not. i guess govs have messed with the word freedom for so long to suit their propaganda that its no wonder people dont know what it is.
That was shut down auto correct
I do t mean it personally I just get annoyed that people skin read jump to conclusions then know one can have a valid opinion in here without people getting way to worked up. Just more in the sense that I feel like I'm treading on eggshells as again being Autistic I strugel to camucate my point across and when I do I get annoyed cause either I'm *** down or not alowd to have an opinion
In Russia maybe but not in the UK look how many people refer to Boris Johnson as a twat on social media on a daily bases. Your only offended cause I said it about starmer who your clearly a fan of if you find this offensive. I might Wana point out that starmer isn't even the priminister but hey I think Boris Johnson is a twat too along with the liberal democrats UKIP the SNP and the BNP there all twats cause there all politions.