Autism and sexual desire

I wondered wether there’s something in being on the autism spectrum and having reduced sexual desire-not come across anything in my reading yet so wondered what people’s experiences are? Oh and asking as a woman too. Thanks

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  • ADHD is reasonably linked with possible hypersexuality in men and women.

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30852107/

  • That's probably why there might be so many autistic horn dogs supposedly. Its not due to their autism its their ADHD and so even people with just ADHD can have the same problem. Makes me wonder just how many so called 'autistic traits' are actually due to other comorbid conditions.  I have to admit this is a post with a substantial amount of interest in it by people.  Being hypersexual means you have a condition not that your just open and liberal.

  • Being hypersexual means you have a condition not that your just open and liberal.

    Is it? hyper-sexuality isn't in the DSM-5. the closest equivalent in the ICD-11 is 6C72 Compulsive sexual behaviour disorder which only applies to those who can't restrain their sexual impulses  not those who choose not to. To quote the final paragraph of the ICD-11 entry

    "The pattern of failure to control intense, sexual impulses or urges and resulting repetitive sexual behaviour is manifested over an extended period of time (e.g., 6 months or more), and causes marked distress or significant impairment in personal, family, social, educational, occupational, or other important areas of functioning. Distress that is entirely related to moral judgments and disapproval about sexual impulses, urges, or behaviours is not sufficient to meet this requirement."

    So really being a 'horn dog' is really not a medical condition.

  • So really being a 'horn dog' is really not a medical condition.

    Smiley

  • "Hypersexuality is not included in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Fifth Edition. It was previously listed in the DSM-4 as a Sexual Disorder, Not Otherwise Specified with the definition "distress about a pattern of repeated sexual relationships involving a succession of lovers who are experienced by the individual only as things to be used." 

    The 2010 proposal for the addition of hypersexual disorder into the DSM-5 included the criteria of uncontrollable sexual behavior. Supporters of the behavior's inclusion argued that people who engage in this excessiveness suffer from great distress. In the proposed criteria, hypersexual disorder was conceived as a nonparaphilic sexual desire disorder with an impulsivity component.

    The proposed diagnosis was not added to the DSM-5. Experts note that there isn’t enough empirical evidence to support the diagnosis.  - I would say this will change when they get more evidenc.  So I expect there to be a reappearance in later editions.

    Where have I see this mostly? In workplaces all over the show.  I imagine there is far more evidence than they think and it could just be a case of people who suffer from this also conceal and lie about it (narcissistic NT people?) If you are all about keeping up appearances and making sure people think the best of you are you really going to explain you use the people around you like objects for your own gratification? I think not.

    I'm using the 4th edition so in my world it is a condition and it will be again Slight smile

  • I very much doubt that. Remember Ego-dystonic sexual orientation was removed from the DSM not because the APA felt it didn't exist but because it wasn't their place to suggest it should be treated and that any event all the treatments that had been documented had no proven effectiveness.

    I suspect they'd take the same view with hyper sexuality. Not their place to suggest variant sexual behaviour should be treated unless it causes objective harm. In cases where there is no viable treatment even if the behaviour is undesired by the person displaying it.

    I very much doubt they'd wish to be seen as medicalising hypersexuality where the parties involved experience no distress as a result.

  • It does cause objective harm (sleeping around can break families up, destroy reputations and standing in communities, cause people to loose their jobs,  poses a risk for unwanted pregnancy and disease and can damage ones self esteem and cause feelings of being used and abandoned etc.) , theres not enough supporting evidence to keep it in the manual. Are you a clinician?  If you don't think sex is dangerous and being obsessed with it and addicted to it can't cause harm read up on Jordan Peterson. He talks about how insanely naive people are about how dangerous it actual is.  I have met a substantial amount of people I suspect have had hypersexuality problems and I can categorically tell you they were damaged individuals and caused nothing but harm in environments they were in. I will also say that the problem I suspect they had also had consequences in other parts of their lives and other peoples lives. They used sexuality to control and manipulate people around them and the outcome of events (they would basically let people know if they did anything like didn't like they couldn't sleep with them (I assume there are dominant and submissive forms of hypersexuality) and that coerced those people into doing things that benefited them in other ways in the workplace i.e. they used it to gain more power and control over their environments) its a condition and a very unpleasant one when coupled to narcissism in someone. I have sympathy for anyone with that condition but when its also co-morbid with narcissism the person becomes a monster and makes the environment very toxic.

  • People using sex for personal gain.   Who would have thought.....?

    People are generally terrible in every way and will take any route to power and status and getting what they want.   It's pretty universal - but I don't see where it's anything specifically to do with autism and sexuality. 

    Men want to spread their seed with hot girls - women want security and resources for their children by seeking out the high-status males - both will monkey-branch to a better option and happily abandon any previous relationships if they feel they are climbing the tree.  

    It's all about DNA and searching out the best option for survival.     Just because it goes against some arbitrary social norm doesn't make it abnormal or wrong.

    I find Jordan Peterson very insightful - I like watching his videos - it's interesting watching him talk about autism - but he hasn't realised that he's the biggest aspie out there.   Smiley

  • sleeping around can break families up, destroy reputations and standing in communities, cause people to loose their jobs,  poses a risk for unwanted pregnancy and disease and can damage ones self esteem and cause feelings of being used and abandoned etc.

    Lets take those one at a time?

    • Break up families? It's posable to be promiscuous while single, with single people. It's posable to be monogamously hypersexual. The value of family is itself subjective.
    • Destroy reputations? The value of such reputation is itself subjective.
    • Cause people to loose their jobs? Why? Are they having sex on their office desk? I think sacking some one for who they have sex with out side the office may actually be discrimination in the legal sense.
    • Pregnancy and disease? Well yes but condoms exist. Also some people welcome pregnancy even outside of a stable relationship.
    • Causing negative feelings? Virtually everything can cause negative feelings. Getting last place in the poetry contest causes negative feelings. This is the hedgehogs dilemma. Whether the risk of negative feeling out weighs the potential reward is again very subjective.
  • I don't see where it's anything specifically to do with autism and sexuality. 

    Thats not the epic debate here between myself and peter. Its whether hypersexuality is an actual condition. I was listed in the DSM 4 but it got removed due to lack of enough supporting data.

  • Men want to spread their seed with hot girls

    For the types of men I am talking about its not about the girls at all. Its about control, power and dominance over their domain. If it was about the girls they actually have a relationship with them instead of using them as play things. These aren't always single girls either often they are married women with children. 

  • I've not mentioned anything about relationships - it's just biology - the alpha male wants the best / most partners to push his genetic line.    Females want the alpha male because he can provide the best resources.     Neither have to like each other - and are often looking to 'upgrade' on both sides - it's often almost like a business partnership masquerading as a relationship..

  • I haven't followed your conversation but I've never liked the alpha males. They are generally arrogant tosspots. I prefer the interesting guys who are too intelligent to get into alpha male contests.

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