Enemas, Bleach and Sex whilst swimming in camels milk ain't going to shift it! - Amazon is gradually removing book titles touting cures for Autism

Books that promise cures for autism through potentially dangerous therapies have been quietly removed from Amazon over the last week.

Amazon is selling books that teach parents how to subject their autistic children to harmful “treatment” regimes that include drinking, bathing in and making enemas out of a toxic, bleach-like substance. Other pseudoscientific books available on the website instruct parents to force their children to undergo chelation – a treatment intended for arsenic and lead poisoning that caused the death of an autistic boy in 2005.

A search for “autism cure” on Amazon brings up dozens of books positing pseudoscientific solutions for autism spectrum disorder – a complex and lifelong developmental disability that has no known cure. But Amazon’s virtual bookshelves are stacked high with titles that recommend a long list of unproven and dangerous autism cures, including sex, yoga, camel milk, electroconvulsive therapy and veganism.

www.wired.co.uk/.../amazon-autism-fake-cure-books

www.theguardian.com/.../amazon-pulls-books-offering-dangerous-cures-for-autism

  • Every second person pretends to be a therapist or psychologist. It's good that Amazon filters what products reach them. I also read various nonsense about treating autism. I can't believe people are so uninformed. A year ago, I found out that I have a child with autism. I'm still looking for answers, which I find in books. I recently ordered some books "Uniquely Human: A Different Way of Seeing Autism", "Connecting With The Autism Spectrum: How To Talk, How To Listen, And Why You Shouldn't Call It High-Functioning" which I took with discount coupons on https://www.dontpayfull.com I would come back with reviews if you need.

  • It was pretty bad to see. I haven't watched it again myself. How the parents didn't see that as highly dubious, I don't know. I think Chris Packham nearly hit everyone! He was raging.

    It's come to a stage now where autism is being looked at in terms of a permanent revenue stream. The way it will be approached here needs to be regulated before it becomes like the States.

    Thanks, I'm glad it is OK with you. I think the more parents spread this, even if it's just between friends, some kids might avoid a lot of distress.

  • Yes I did pick up a serious undertone of something else going on he was way to hands on with that girl and the kissing was beyond belief. Personally I would have hit that quack if he came near my children like that. 

    I understand that it is down to aba being big business in the states but it's just wrong, the world really sucks sometimes, and I know that sentence doesn't even come close to covering my feelings on this.

    And don't worry about making me uncomfortable I would rather know what is going on.

  • I know you have children, and sorry for asking you, but I just want to know if when you watched that part with the "doctor", there was a serious undertone of something else going on. It felt very, very, creepy, beyond the ABA cruelty. I watched it with someone with an autistic child, and we both looked at each other and said the same thing. I wouldn't let my child near him.

    Maybe I'm bad minded, but there was something in the "doctors" sheer glee, that was a bit out of place, even in that environment. It seems like a perfect place for all kinds of abuses, with a lot of the children being non-verbal.

    I was so angry and the visit to that school I was almost in tears why is this allowed to continue?? 

    Sorry if you found it uncomfortable, I doubt my comments above really help, but I wondered if you sort of got the same vibe from that part.

    It's allowed to continue because.....

    https://blog.marketresearch.com/autism-treatment-programs-are-growing-a-1.8-billion-market-in-the-u.s

    It isn't commonplace here, but it is starting to be practiced more. There is a lot of backlash though.

  • I've never used FaceBook but I've heard of stories such as yours.

    I've stopped even trying to figure out their agenda, there is one obviously, but the inconsistencies from country to country, differ vastly. It seems like where they have "certain interests" in a country, their moral, political, and regulation goes with certain investment trends. They tend to exploit the grey areas for private interests. The Cambridge Analytica scandal was one of many data "leaks", connected to worldwide elections. FaceBook allowed the Obama administration to scrape profiles for data prior to the 2012 election.

    https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/facebook-data-scanadal-trump-obama-campaign-election-meddling/

    This has happened in a number of elections worldwide, so I don't think that it even matters which side of the political aisle they back, just as long as they get something from it.

    Elon Musk wants to go to Mars on his own expedition. Bezos wants people to live in suspended podlike cites, like captives of their own making. I trust Musk a lot more! 

  • Bezos a psychopath? Him and Zuckerberg both. 

    Bezos wants to build a rocket so he can get to Mars, so paying people a decent wagecwould surely get on the way of that. 

    We were trying to advertise our life drawing exhibition on Facebook, but the ad was banned because you can see drawings of naked bodies. But life drawing is as far from porn as you can imagine. 

    But when I complained to FB after seeing a video of a kitten being set alight, among other choice things, I was told that they did not contravene FB rules. Skewed values or what?

    I try not to use Amazon though, I use FB as there is nothing else to compare with what it can do for you, but with both, it is still a question of mine own traitor

  • I watched the Chris packham video that you linked, I can see why he found it so hard to watch the video of the young girl with the "doctor " I was so angry and the visit to that school I was almost in tears why is this allowed to continue?? 

  • Indeed, I'm gay and old enough to know men who were 'treated' with 'aversion therapy' in the 1950s as well as a female friend who was incarcerated in a mental hospital at the age of 17 for being a lesbian. Agree Former Member - it's expensive to track specific abuses in social media so they only spend the money to prop up friendly dictatorships and protect the interests of multinational corporations.

  • what *really* appalls me is that parents actually hold down their children and forcibly administer bleach enemas.

    We were talking about it in a thread a few weeks ago. It's rape, and should be treated as such in law. It serves literally no medical purpose, so there is no need to label it as a "medical mispractice". Penetration without consent, is rape. This should be classified as rape of a minor.

    I say again, *what* possesses a parent to abuse their children in such an appalling way?

    I'm going to be blunt, but it's them putting their needs in front of the childs. Pure, self-absorbed, narrow-sighted, reactionary reasons. The marketing is targeted at the desparate, but there's a point where sense and conscience should kick in.

    The way some of these quack "cures", is marketed toward emotional manipulation of desparate people, can explain some of it, but theres a line. A glass of camel milk, is waaay different to a glass of bleach or turps. As for enemas I just can't even imagine.

    Really, can you begin to imagine the level of trauma experienced by those children to have such potentially maiming ongoing violence perpetrated on them by their own parents?

    Have you heard of ABA?

    beat the devil or 'gayness' out of their children.

    That's what ABA is. 

    https://youtu.be/IjdEJdr-vfs

    If ypu haven't seen that documentary before, wait until they get to ABA. It's pretty disturbing. There is a non-verbal girl of about 5 or 6, if I remember right, I could only watch it once. She doesn't like physical contact, so guess what. Her "treatment" is being held all day, and KISSED by the "doctor". He seems very happy at her distress. She is non-verbal too. Maybe I'm bad minded but I think the "doctor", has other motives for working with non-verbal, or intellectually challenged kids. Very, very, creepy. I think Packham did a great job by not going berzerk in that section. You can see the anger in him.

    The kids are sent there everyday, forced to "confront", the things that they can't cope with, some severe aversions, and sensory aversions are akin to pain for a lot of autistics. This goes on for years and years. Well over half are left with severe emotional distress, things like PTSD, and severe anxiety disorders. How the hell does anyone internalise that. I don't know how their parents, or guardians can look them in the eye, everyday, knowing that they are sending them off to another day of torture.

    https://rewardandconsent.blogspot.com/2017/03/they-did-it-to-us-gays-they-still-do-it.html

    Lemon juice, ammonia, and electrified floors. They aren't really reassuring things to see connected to "behaviour therapy".

    Finally, parents are being prosecuted for crimes such as FGM, I feel these parents should be charged with child abuse offenses.

    As far as I know only one case of FGM has been successful. That's where the problem lies. A lot of these "medical practices" are carried out in private "clinics" such as the ones in Harley Street, outside of the accountability of the NHS. An oligarch's wife's plastic surgeon, is another patients genital mutilator, or "cure" administrator. Money is the curtain that hides it all.

    No doubt this post will be removed but I felt the need to get that off my chest . . .

    Put quack cures, fads, Emma Dalmayne, or ABA into the search. If you look back at some of the older threads, there's some new fad that is basically abuse.

    Emma Dalmayne is someone worth looking into. She's an autistic lady, with autistic kids, and she's been pushing for these "cures" to be looked into for some time. She's also a campaigner against ABA.

    She has a petition that is getting close to being reviewed.

    https://www.change.org/p/phillip-dunne-make-autistic-cures-illegal-in-the-uk

    If you want to have a look, or sign that's the link, or for anyone else reading.

    The NAS seem to have no problem with this stuff being highlighted, so the more we get it off our chests, word spreads, and hopefully so does the need for action.

  • Bezos is a ***, nothing new there - but what *really* appalls me is that parents actually hold down their children and forcibly administer bleach enemas. WTF? Apparently they're not discouraged when their children's skin starts to ulcerate and weep and they double up with agonizing abdominal pain. What in the name of God is wrong with these people? I know there is pitiful support for parents struggling with low-functioning children with challenging behaviour, fits, seizures etc and I don't know how I'd cope myself but I say again, in which universe does it strike a parent as reasonable to violently and forcibly poison their own children by holding them down and squirting corrosive substances into their intestines? If you can't look after them, at least have the sense to hand them over to qualified professionals. I just felt a wave of rage pass through me. Yes, Bezos is an irresponsible, misogynistic, narcissistic little git - but, I say again, *what* possesses a parent to abuse their children in such an appalling way? OK maybe people didn't know what's in it (although such ignorance of a substance one intends violently to administer to a child is already a disgrace - they managed to google the crap in the first place, couldn't they google what's in it?) but if your child is complaining of vicious stomach cramps and their skin is visibly ulcertating - WTF WTF WTF. And why hasn't the publisher himself been carted off to gaol? Kudos to Wired Magazine for pitching the appropriate fit about it. Really, can you begin to imagine the level of trauma experienced by those children to have such potentially maiming ongoing violence perpetrated on them by their own parents? It reminds me of bible-bashers trying to beat the devil or 'gayness' out of their children. Ignorant and indefensible. Finally, parents are being prosecuted for crimes such as FGM, I feel these parents should be charged with child abuse offenses. No doubt this post will be removed but I felt the need to get that off my chest . . .

  • Veganism certainly doesn't work, anyway, otherwise I'd have been 'cured' long ago!

    Amazon/Bezos is a monster bent on world domination.  I haven't used it for a while now.

    Unfortunately, it seems to be the default 'go to' for online shopping... and almost everything else.

  • I don't know when the Finest Universal Cure Known will be discovered, but it will no doubt be recognised by the initials.

  • I'm pretty shocked too. I thought they'd cleaned up their act, after a bunch of cyberattacks over a "paedophiles handbook" they were selling in 2002.

    Apparently not. They were forced to do it again in 2010.

    They may have pulled the books on quack "cures", but bestiality is actually still available.

    The richest man in the world is morally bankrupt.

    No more Amazon for me.

  • Wow. I knew Bezos was a bit of a sociopath. I thought that they'd have cleaned up their act after the two occasions thay were forced to pull books on paedophilia.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-pedophilia-book/amazon-pulls-book-on-pedophilia-after-complaints-idUSTRE6AB3K520101112

    They still have lots of books on bestiality though. I won't include links. It's the "right to free speech" apparently. Consent isn't a right they extend their freedoms to however.

    Seems like the helpless, voiceless, and vulnerable, are good for business.

    I really thought they'd cleaned up their act.

  • About time I was disgusted to find them on there, I was reading up on this abuse after a thread on here (as I could not believe the sheer stupidity of the claim)  and was horrified when Google took me straight to Amazon for a how to guide! ( I did email amazon about this but got no response ) but I'm glad at least they have been removed! 

    Now if only everywhere else could stop peddling this trash