Female with autism feels masculine rather than feminine

I am a female with autism. Something that I have felt most of my life is that I feel more masculine than feminine in my inner self however outwardly I definitely look feminine such as makeup and I do my hair etc but inwardly I feel and see myself as more of a male. Has anyone experienced this? 

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  • I'm so glad to see this thread, I've struggled with this all my life. I was a teenager in the 70s when things were less 'enlightened' than now (although I'm not sure how much has really changed). All through my teens and twenties people constantly told me I was 'denying my femininity' by being 'too analytical' and that I was 'mannish' and too 'hard' or 'cold'. I also found the changes at puberty really difficult and remember asking when I was about 15 to be put on the pill continuously because I'd heard it would suppress periods - the (female) doctor told me women need periods psychologically to feel feminine - I though that I must not be a woman then. I also don't like body hair as some of you have mentioned - people sometime suggest I should transition to a man - yuk! Be hairier? Ughh.

    In my teens, I wore make-up and dresses thinking that this might 'disguise' my alleged masculine brain but I found that dressing up as a woman gets you all kinds of unwanted attention so I abandoned that. I came out as gay in my twenties and found yet another really prescriptive environment where you were supposed to conform to one or other gender all over again. I obligingly had a go at adopting a 'butch' lesbian identity but abandoned the project as it was (a) inane and (b) proscriptive. If you failed to conform to one or other gender stereotype consistently people would point it out constantly - and that's inconvenient as sticking to one gender stereotype seems unnecessarily restrictive and requires concentration. Made me think of Emerson - "a foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds". Then came the 80s and lesbians started pushing everyone to conform to some ideological construct of 'natural' femininity and I was constantly told I 'think like a man' so my brain is oppressive to other women (huh? So *I'm* not a woman then?). Not sure if I was supposed to remove my brain, scrub it clean of intellectual tendencies and replace it tidily so I can be a cuddly group-thinker who never challenges anyone? Yuk!

    I've finally ended up at the position that my brain is neither male nor female, it's just a brain. I've checked out the science on alleged gender difference and it's really not conclusive at all, there's no consensus and there are scientists on both sides of the debate. I'm working on the assumption that whilst there may be some minor differences in the brain across genders I'm pretty sure that differences between individuals are far greater across a spectrum of behaviour and thinking. Cultural differences in the way boys and girls are raised could account for most, if not all, of it. The autistic brain is something else again and they're just falsely linking autistic characteristics with masculinity because they're lazy and simplistic thinkers. I do think that 'society' is far more sympathetic towards men/boys showing autistic characteristics than women - and that's mainly because culture allows a far wider range of behaviours in men than in women. Women are expected to be less intelligent and more supportive/subservient. We're not supposed to question things, analyse, or have minds of our own.

    I was particularly annoyed by a recent study claiming to have definitively proven that women's brains are different from men's and that autistic women are 'masculine'. I'm baffled by people suggesting that one's brain can have a different gender from the rest of one's body - that's some people's experience obviously, but it really isn't mine. My problem is other people hassling me about how inconsistently I perform gender but I don't have an internally experienced contradiction. I don't have the feeling that I'm male 'inside' and female 'outside'. I don't really take that much notice of my 'outside' honestly and my inside doesn't feel like it has gender. It's just me.

    I really don't give a crap what I wear as long as it's comfy, and I can't tolerate anything other than soft natural fabrics next to my skin. I find men patronise me less when dressed in clothing associated with masculinity and women criticise me less in clothes associated with femininity so you win some and you lose some. In 'masculine' clothes men regard women as somewhat threatening - I'll settle for that as I hate being talked down to like I'm some ditsy child. When I was a teenager I lived in jeans, t-shirts and tennis shoes (now known as trainers). I wore the 80s gay uniform of black jeans and white t-shirt with a leather jacket in my 30s. I'm a bit old now, jeans catch me across the middle so I mainly wear loose tunics and leggings and soft shoes these days. This means I get patronised by other gay people for failing to look 'gay' enough - although interestingly I must have gained some kind of authority with age as men seem less inclined to patronise me, whatever I wear.

    I've concluded that gender is nothing but a hobgoblin of little minds. I do my best to ignore it as far as anyone can with everyone carping all day about my failure to produce a consistent facsimilie of stereotypical 'feminine' behaviour. I'm neither masculine nor feminine, I'm an intelligent and logical person who can read a map, with biological female sexual organs. Get over it! Why are these idiots so obsessed with gender stereotypes? Pfffft!

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  • I'm so glad to see this thread, I've struggled with this all my life. I was a teenager in the 70s when things were less 'enlightened' than now (although I'm not sure how much has really changed). All through my teens and twenties people constantly told me I was 'denying my femininity' by being 'too analytical' and that I was 'mannish' and too 'hard' or 'cold'. I also found the changes at puberty really difficult and remember asking when I was about 15 to be put on the pill continuously because I'd heard it would suppress periods - the (female) doctor told me women need periods psychologically to feel feminine - I though that I must not be a woman then. I also don't like body hair as some of you have mentioned - people sometime suggest I should transition to a man - yuk! Be hairier? Ughh.

    In my teens, I wore make-up and dresses thinking that this might 'disguise' my alleged masculine brain but I found that dressing up as a woman gets you all kinds of unwanted attention so I abandoned that. I came out as gay in my twenties and found yet another really prescriptive environment where you were supposed to conform to one or other gender all over again. I obligingly had a go at adopting a 'butch' lesbian identity but abandoned the project as it was (a) inane and (b) proscriptive. If you failed to conform to one or other gender stereotype consistently people would point it out constantly - and that's inconvenient as sticking to one gender stereotype seems unnecessarily restrictive and requires concentration. Made me think of Emerson - "a foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds". Then came the 80s and lesbians started pushing everyone to conform to some ideological construct of 'natural' femininity and I was constantly told I 'think like a man' so my brain is oppressive to other women (huh? So *I'm* not a woman then?). Not sure if I was supposed to remove my brain, scrub it clean of intellectual tendencies and replace it tidily so I can be a cuddly group-thinker who never challenges anyone? Yuk!

    I've finally ended up at the position that my brain is neither male nor female, it's just a brain. I've checked out the science on alleged gender difference and it's really not conclusive at all, there's no consensus and there are scientists on both sides of the debate. I'm working on the assumption that whilst there may be some minor differences in the brain across genders I'm pretty sure that differences between individuals are far greater across a spectrum of behaviour and thinking. Cultural differences in the way boys and girls are raised could account for most, if not all, of it. The autistic brain is something else again and they're just falsely linking autistic characteristics with masculinity because they're lazy and simplistic thinkers. I do think that 'society' is far more sympathetic towards men/boys showing autistic characteristics than women - and that's mainly because culture allows a far wider range of behaviours in men than in women. Women are expected to be less intelligent and more supportive/subservient. We're not supposed to question things, analyse, or have minds of our own.

    I was particularly annoyed by a recent study claiming to have definitively proven that women's brains are different from men's and that autistic women are 'masculine'. I'm baffled by people suggesting that one's brain can have a different gender from the rest of one's body - that's some people's experience obviously, but it really isn't mine. My problem is other people hassling me about how inconsistently I perform gender but I don't have an internally experienced contradiction. I don't have the feeling that I'm male 'inside' and female 'outside'. I don't really take that much notice of my 'outside' honestly and my inside doesn't feel like it has gender. It's just me.

    I really don't give a crap what I wear as long as it's comfy, and I can't tolerate anything other than soft natural fabrics next to my skin. I find men patronise me less when dressed in clothing associated with masculinity and women criticise me less in clothes associated with femininity so you win some and you lose some. In 'masculine' clothes men regard women as somewhat threatening - I'll settle for that as I hate being talked down to like I'm some ditsy child. When I was a teenager I lived in jeans, t-shirts and tennis shoes (now known as trainers). I wore the 80s gay uniform of black jeans and white t-shirt with a leather jacket in my 30s. I'm a bit old now, jeans catch me across the middle so I mainly wear loose tunics and leggings and soft shoes these days. This means I get patronised by other gay people for failing to look 'gay' enough - although interestingly I must have gained some kind of authority with age as men seem less inclined to patronise me, whatever I wear.

    I've concluded that gender is nothing but a hobgoblin of little minds. I do my best to ignore it as far as anyone can with everyone carping all day about my failure to produce a consistent facsimilie of stereotypical 'feminine' behaviour. I'm neither masculine nor feminine, I'm an intelligent and logical person who can read a map, with biological female sexual organs. Get over it! Why are these idiots so obsessed with gender stereotypes? Pfffft!

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  • I’ve never been one or the other, but neither has anybody ever tried to make out I’m one or the other. My age or gender has never been an issue in my life. I’ve always been more of a boy, but I never wanted to be one. People have always accepted me and they’ve never questioned me. Everyone knows, without saying it, that I’m one of the boys. Always. I’ve never really hung out with girls, but nobody has ever pointed it out as a ‘thing’, so it’s never been an issue. And for most of my life, I thought everybody thought like me anyway, so why would anybody question it? 

  • I really liked your post and for years I have been on the pill to stop menstruation as I just can't cope with it. I have had people tell me menstruation is natural and important for a woman but I am like no thank you it's not for me.

    I do think society has pushed the gender stereotypes far too much and people have been too scared to talk about it. That's why I started the conversation because when I think about gender it just doesn't make sense. Why does a woman have to use a pink razor and a man use a blue Razor. I like blue! Why can't women wear aftershave if it smells nice then wear it. Why can't men wear skirts? 

  • I totally agree with this. Gender stereotypes have been created and I think a lot less people fit into them than they care to admit but people like to fit in. Yes there will be some differences between male and females due to hormones and there may be some differences between the brains but not to the extent that shows.

    There was a really interesting program on tv a year or 2 ago about gender stereotypes. A guy went into a school and showed all the ways they lead girls and boys. They showed the same in shops etc too. It was fascinating and showed that a lot of children choose what is expected rather than what they really like but they think they are choosing what they like.

  • Why are these idiots so obsessed with gender stereotypes? Pfffft!

    Yep.