Rename Aspergers “Wingers Syndrome”

If Aspergers should be renamed why not call it:

”Wingers Syndrome”

After Lorna Winger?

  • You say autism, I say autism, let's call the whole thing off.

    ...I agree. Autism with a certain number of points or whatnot. When I try to communicate with the Hostile-Masses, I simply say "Autistic", and that is enough to fill/confuse them anyway...

    ...Also I am apathetic in places (!): we see whatever happens almost regardless of discussing it here, and we all must then deal with it... just like ASD versus ASC. I suppose I shall not post anything contraversial in this Thread again... pfui...

    ...UP THE IRISH !!     :-)

  • Why does it need to be called a "syndrome"?

    I don't think it should be. Syndrome is misleading, implying symptoms related to a common (pathological) cause.

    I don't really like the name "autism" either, because the word "autistic" can be interpreted as meaning "selfish".

    That's kind of the etymological root, but I don't think it has a moral connotation any more.

    Whatever the name is, it's still just a label, so that others can put us into a box. I'd rather make up a name for those who do not fall under the category, and then we're the normal ones and the others are the ones with the label attached to them.

    Have you read https://www.fysh.org/~zefram/allism/allism_intro.txt ?

  • Why does it need to be called a "syndrome"?

    I don't really like the name "autism" either, because the word "autistic" can be interpreted as meaning "selfish".

    Whatever the name is, it's still just a label, so that others can put us into a box. I'd rather make up a name for those who do not fall under the category, and then we're the normal ones and the others are the ones with the label attached to them.

  • Loloolol! Probably one of the greatest ad jingles of all time. I'm actually frustrated that I had no need to purchase them! That advert is burned into a few generations minds, forever!

  • Nooo! Not the F word. Is it a noun or a verb? Someone can appear typical in some respects at some times in some places, but not others. It says more about the support that's given. If people who mask 'have HFA' why is their mental health worse than people who are 'low-functioning'. Can HFA mean 'doesn't need support', and LFA mean 'incapable of anything'? Can it be misinterpreted to mean 'genius'? (And then HFA may include lower IQ or language delay that's excluded from Asperger.)

    You say autism, I say autism, let's call the whole thing off.

  • Woah! Bodyform...

    Now with wings...(!)

  • If Aspergers should be renamed

    ... Um... HFA (High Functioning Autism)... which is what it is anyway...?

  • I thought the whole point of getting rid of the term Asperger Syndrome was so that Autism Spectrum Condition embraces all manifestations of difficulties

    Well, there are two or three separate things going on, so I don't think it's the whole point:

    1. Like you say, a lot of autistic people feel they are so individual that AS doesn't cover it, it's confusing, AS has arbitrary boundaries within the spectrum (or constellation),and so autism (or ASC) is the wider, more general term. I see this, but not everyone agrees (yet). I was diagnosed as 'ASC, specifically AS'.
    2. DSM-V has likewise subsumed AS under ASD ('disorder') - see Tony Attwood below. For many AS was just a transitional way to recognise autism, now obsolete.
    3. Recently, historical research has shown that Hans Asperger, who we always knew operated under Nazi rule, willingly co-operated with sending disabled children to a 'hospital' where they would be killed. For various reasons, many people acknowledge this history, but now want to distance themselves from it, and this for example is why Asperger United is changing its name.

    Some people are more concerned about 3 than 1 or 2.

    Having read the suggestions in the initial thread, the only one I would accept is Attwood's, but that's only because I personally got so much from his work

    Which suggestion was that?  This is what Attwood himself said: https://vimeo.com/134405682 (before Czech's research on Hans Asperger was published).

    I agree that there are a whole series of variables within autism - you can be hypo or hypersensitive, have problems with faces or non-verbal communication or not, be very focussed on your own interests or not, have problems socialising or be very social, have spatial differences or synaethesia, be very inhibited or very uninhibited depending on situation, have special interests of one sort or another or none at all.... You could go on and on.

    It's all autism, and not worth splitting arbitrarily apart again, let alone at the expense of recognising individuality and particular needs. But there may still be different 'profiles' within that, of which 'Asperger' is likely to remain one. This has something to say on the subject of such profiles: https://autisticmotherland.com/2018/05/23/pda/

  • Yes, I agree.  My formal diagnosis is ASC, and I'm perfectly happy with that.  Each of the traits associated with autism  is a little spectrum all of its own. Rather than trying to create ambiguous categories by singling out specific traits, which can leave people in a "grey area" between diagnoses, I think it's far more important to identify what specific support a person needs, regardless of what formal names are chosen.

    Even to say that Asperger's Syndrome is defined by lack of language delay is deceptive. Being able to produce grammatical sentences and having a good vocabulary are not sufficient to be a good communicator; that requires an understanding of the pragmatic components of communication - social context, theory of mind and emotional intelligence, which each "aspie" would have in their own multitude of combinations.

    If someone asks; "so is ASC like Asperger's Syndrome?", then I'm not offended, and I'm happy enough to tell them why my diagnosis isn't given that name, but I identify myself (if I even need to at all) as an autistic person rather than as an "aspie". If people care to listen to a more detailed explanation, it will be clear enough that I'm not trying to usurp the labels applied to autistic people who may have greater struggles than my own.

  • I thought the whole point of getting rid of the term Asperger Syndrome was so that Autism Spectrum Condition embraces all manifestations of difficulties and not choosing parts of it to be names after the people who first noticed it. Just changing it from One persons name to another would be pointless

  • I agree with Emma that I don't like the idea of the name being changed at all. Keeping the name is best for increasing the awareness and knowledge of this condition. If suddenly it became a new name, it's possible that it will not be taken seriously. It'll lead to confusion of what the syndrome is and some people may think it's a newly invented thing when they hear the new name. It will also give the impression that anything related to this condition can be easily changed. 

  • I don't like it, I hate the sound of it.
     
    To be honest I don't want it to be renamed at all. >> It would complicate the issue of autism awareness to suddenly change the name of a common form of autism.

    I think it would be a net negative for the autistic community. Keeping (and increasing) understanding and knowledge of the condition by as many people as possible- which is vital for our functioning in a world that's very much not designed for us- outweighs "ooer it's named after some nasty dead man". We change it, nobody knows what the heck we're on about and it's harder to get that vital understanding from average members of the public.

    I mean, in general who thinks of the person rather than the syndrome when they hear the word "asperger"? I would think nobody. So how is it honouring his memory in real terms? It's just a name of a thing AFAIC.

    Having read the suggestions in the initial thread, the only one I would accept is Attwood's, but that's only because I personally got so much from his work- so I fully accept that's me being biased.

  • I think considering the amount of time that it has taken for AS to be vaguely brought into the public sphere of conciousness and for people to start to understand it, this would be counterproductive. I don't want to have to explain what Wing's Syndrome is when half the public now have an understanding of AS.

    Winger's Syndrome should be a name for women who like to get carried out of factories by men in uniform while Joe Cocker and Jennifer Warnes sing an 80's love anthem.

  • what about,,,,brace yourselves,,,,,,,wait for it,,,,,,,,,Human being?

    This.

  • Just had a really radical thought!

    what about,,,,brace yourselves,,,,,,,wait for it,,,,,,,,,Human being?

    as per usual x()x Lol. ;)

  • Not liking wingers as it would soon be corrupted to whingers ,,as in whining and whinging about everything.

    Maybe AS PER USUAL?

    A liking for fact not conjecture or random guesses,” as per usual” we would correct a wrong statement as it is wrong.

    And “as per usual” we like repetitive or the same routines in many things within our control.

     So “ as per usual” I have over stated my response, and “as per usual” for me I will say take care all be kind to yourselves and my signature asperusual hug for all, x()x.

  • Maybe we could go right back to Grunya Sukhareva (Russian who described autism in 1925)?

    I've often been told that I really suk and what a sukker I can be! Laughing

  • Yes, it is Lorna Wing.

    Wings Syndrome does have a nice ring to it (though maybe a bit deceptive sounding!)

    Level 1 autism; it gives you wings! Laughing (oh, how I wish!)

  • Actually, I think autistic people plan more, and hardly ever wing it.

    Is it a gender-neutral term for 'wingman'? Apparently 'wingers' was a type of E tablet some years ago.

    'Aspie' then becomes 'Wing-e', which is hard to say, Frankly.