Getting a Job

Isnt it really unfair that employers turn people away because they have HFA or Asperger syndrome?? 

I believe there isnt a lot of support from the UK government when it comes to tackling job employment for the disabled. Would i be right in saying that??

Who on here actually has a part-time or full-time job?

  • i see where your coming from, im a student right now, but i have a job working a greggs store at weekends for the money, i did'nt have my diagnosis at that time, and even now that i do, i havent informed my employers. but, i will soon be looking for an apprentice, so ill have to see how that goes.

    if i may ask, has something promted this post? have you recently been turned down for a job on these grounds?

  • we are still being turned away by employers because of our disabilty this make my so angry well i guess our best idea is to help the nas to get us the same rights to jobs as everyone else as we can do jobs just as good as any normal peson 

    why are our rights to jobs being taken away this must stop

    The Major

  • Is there collated evidence that people with HFA or Asperger Syndrome have been rejected by employers on those grounds?

    I'm not ignoring the sorts of discrimination I've witnessed, but IN THEORY there should not be such outright prejudice and it is supposedly challengeable in law?

    Unfortunately a lot of pre-conceived notions and clinical literature that mainly concerns people needing psychiatric help has led to stereotypes that might be in peole's minds if they prevent people on the spectrum getting jobs. But that again is challengeable if evidence is collated.

    However we need to distinguish any explicit exclusion from perceived exclusion. If you apply for a job there may be an equalities form which asks you about any disabilities, but that is not supposed to be shown to the people selecting candidates from applications. If that is happening with regard to autism spectrum candidates that is a serious matter (hard to address but in theory wrong).

    You might chose to disclose your disability on the application form, and that might preclude you from getting a job, but employers must not discriminate and there are tight legal controls. In practice though it is not proving easy.

    However application forms and curriculum vitae can reveal information that might prevent you getting a job: frequent job changes, long gaps, lack of team work evidence (competitive and team sports involvement). They will make decisions to which people on the spectrum are vulnerable.

    If you go to an interview however, that's when things do go wrong. The interview looks at social interchange, ability to work in a team, ability to work on your own direction, ability to deputise or manage others. The questions are designed to bring out these capabilities. You can explain your disability in advance and you can ask to see the questions in advance and you can aask to have someone with you as an advocate. In practice a lot of these safeguards are overlooked or broken.

    As I've suggested, the situation is complex. Could someone clarify what is meant by the assertion people on the spectrum are being turned away by employers and then we can look at this in more detail.

  • In relation to what I outlined above, I do know it is going wrong at all these levels. The problem may be that it is not being challenged. Discrimination against people with physical disabilities is readily challenged and lots of cases come up. If there are not enough legal challenges where people on the autistic spectrum are concerned, employers will feel safer refusing such people jobs compared to other disability groups.

    Hence documentation is vital. If parents groups built up a record of details of what the grown up children of members are experiencing on the job market that would help enormously, and could help collate legal precedents.

    However I've encountered a lot of negativity in discussions on here, for example that people on the spectrum cannot work in NT environments, and people who find they can work in NT environments are borderline cases, haven't really got AS etc etc.

    If we propogate an image of people on the spectrum cannot engage in any kind of work, that in itself feeds stereotypes and gives some "justification" to those seeking to exclude us.

    Could NAS/moderators perhaps come in on this?

  • Getting a job is hard for anyone these days, let alone if you have a disability.

    If you have a job in these times, you have to consider yourself really lucky.

    Longman made a good point: teamwork, social skills and flexibility do not come naturally to people with ASD, and so we either have to lie in order to get the job and then suffer later, or be honest and end up not getting the job! It is a catch-22 situation because either way it is hard getting and keeping jobs if you have ASD. This is not to say that it cannot be done because there are sympathetic employers out there, but particularly in the private sector, with the past-paced drive to make super profits, intolerance to difference abounds.  With this governments assault on the public sector and schemes  that help disabled people get into work in local government, it is going to get even tougher.  I did two weeks work experience in local government under  a partnership scheme to help those with disabilities, but this scheme has now been scrapped!.