Women with Aspergers

Hi Savannah

Such intellectual impatience is fine. I used to work for an investment bank...phoning Milan..  the instant the receiver of the phone was lifted., “pronto”

just cannot do all that pointless talk, really can't.  It's painful and why do people do it.  Why do people ask needlessly how you are if they don't actually really want to know?  Or care lol Sometimes I throw them just for fun and actually tell them exactly how I feel in the hope that they will never do it again :O that is what I mean about 'odd sense of humour' . .  . Why must we be insincere to be social?  I often think there is nothing wrong with me but everything wrong with other people but clearly that isn't the case.

Also spent so many years just not liking myself very much.  I look at people who seem to be liked by everyone and I admire it but I realise I just could not dilute myself like that so that people liked me but clearly to some it just comes so naturally and to me it doesn't.  I don't do anything too terrible just to be clear.

At school I used to take in 300 page novels to read at playtime when I was about 8 years old while all the other kids played hopscotch or whatever.  I remember headteacher saying Jackie Collins is not appropriate reading material for an 8 year old :O eek :-/ lol

There’s a fair chance the AI programmers were ASD.... lol.... they’re  clever sods! 

I was thinking about it in that sense but as I've got premature babies I sat for many months watching my babies in an incubator trying to replicate the job of the human womb not very well.  I think the doctor said 5 days in an incubator was worth 24 hours in the womb something like that.  The womb is by far more sophisticated and the incubator is clumsy in comparison.  Lots of examples of it. The human mind and body is so very very complex.   I don't even think we've probably scratched the surface with our understanding of either.

You know, I was thinking about that recently with regards to AI. All attempts at AI eventually come up against that barrier - the logical processes that govern it cannot quite master all of the subtleties of everyday human interactions such as sarcasm and idioms. 

Apparently 'Care Bots' can be taught, by logical processes, to show compassion and express sympathy but because of their failure to actually empathise (de-code and actually FEEL the other person's emotion accurately) they can sometimes appear cold or as if they're deliberately being rude or uncaring.

Although many of these 'robots' can execute small-talk, apparently they can 'fail' on occasion to carry it off smoothly because of their occasional literal answers to rhetorical questions.

Sound familiar to anyone?

I wonder if any AI researchers have tried to link their work to that of scientists studying ASD?     

My youngest is four and his little brain buzzes so fast that sometimes he can't get his words out.  Chip off the old block.  He is just going through an ASD assessment at the moment but he is sharp as a razor and I love his little mind.  I want to bottle it and keep it forever so that the world doesn't condition or dampen it because it's so beautiful to watch it process, question and enquire.  Up until recently the moment he woke up at 6am he would tell me "I love you mum, you are so beautiful" like every single day lol He's grown out of it now clearly but it was so lovely.  He tells me all of his little thoughts and feelings and I try so hard to help him make sense of it all.  I do love children, babies not quite so interesting but they have to start somewhere ;) he he x  I have been singing 'little donkey' to him every night for at least two years :O 

We should actually start a "Why can't I ...?" thread containing all the ridiculous requests from small humans and how Aspie parents have dealt with them ..

it's shame really that computers are not advanced enough to understand context, I mean as forward as we think technology is, it really isn't at all is it . . . and the human mind is by far more complex.  When attempts are made at replicating some of the things that the human mind/body is capable of with technology these are really quite awkward, backwards and clumsy still.

Endymion said:

"Why can't I go out to play in a nappy and a pair of wellies?", "Actually, small enquirer, why not indeed?"

ha ha ha and why not!!! that really made me laugh!  I didn't like babies much and I hated being pregnant which is odd given that I have six children really isn't it.  I blame the ADHD for that.  I am of the 'hyperactive' and 'impulsive' ilk, enough said   Babies are absolutely boring. All day 'putting it in and taking it out' with a serious dose of sleep deprivation thrown in.  After I had my first, after three weeks I was like "what have i done" :O "way out of my depth here".  Lucky for me I had married an older man and I kind of delegated some of the work since he'd been through it before and 'knew it all' ha ha ha ;)

No, the way I view friendships is absolutely the way they actually are.  It's just that NT's dress everything up in fuzz and fluff and are often very much deluded.  I know people that would be horrified if I suggested their friendships where 'beneficial mutual exchanges' loooool downright offended I'm sure.

I've got so many views on things like the above.

It is like cutting through the fuzz and fluff isn't it being around regular people.  There is so much pointless speak, pomp and ceremony.  So much insincerity and self delusion and I said somewhere earlier, I wouldn't want to be 'cured' of whatever 'this' is.  You when you drink alcohol people talk about beer goggles well I think this ASD is bit like having the neurotypical goggles removed.  Mostly you see everything for exactly what it is without the fuzz or the fluff.  Obviously there are downsides, but now I think of it are there really?  It is the 'regulars' who make me feel like what I am is not ok.  I'm actually Ok with it.  God this is liberating!!

I've got so many questions and the more people share the more questions I have.  I shall have to try and contain myself.  I usually wouldn't bang on like this.  I'd get the info I need and then I'd probably buzz off but this is all a bit of a revelation so it's set off my thinking . . . 

As for husbands, my husband is not fuzzy or fluffy.  He is as intelligent as me but in slightly different ways so he's very handy, his brain gives mine another edge and vice versa lol  He doesn't really find anything that I do odd.  I suspect he's on the spectrum as well.  You just couldn't be with me for ten years and not have something slightly wrong with you :O A regular everyday man simply wouldn't last that distance and I would be bored of such a creature years ago.  I do still like my husband and he's challenging intellectually and he doesn't impose himself on me or suffocate me.  He is happy to go off on his own doing whatever without being a nuisance or a drag.  We have solid debates and discussions and this is what I'm more attracted to more than anything else in a man.  We are bored of arguments, though there were many in the beginning, lots of those little bonkers pointless kind of power struggles that people do.  We are both bored now of it and have been for many years.  I suspect he's not going anywhere and nor am I.  I think I have hurt him with some of my truthfulness and equally he's hurt me with some of his but these days we laugh about it a bit more when it happens.  There is someone for everyone they say :O 

(Even before I can exit the page, I see two replies from "Talented Mute...?! I did not mean to change the subject, and so I am leaving this Thread now.)

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There’s a fair chance the AI programmers were ASD.... lol.... they’re  clever sods! 

I was thinking about it in that sense but as I've got premature babies I sat for many months watching my babies in an incubator trying to replicate the job of the human womb not very well.  I think the doctor said 5 days in an incubator was worth 24 hours in the womb something like that.  The womb is by far more sophisticated and the incubator is clumsy in comparison.  Lots of examples of it. The human mind and body is so very very complex.   I don't even think we've probably scratched the surface with our understanding of either.

You know, I was thinking about that recently with regards to AI. All attempts at AI eventually come up against that barrier - the logical processes that govern it cannot quite master all of the subtleties of everyday human interactions such as sarcasm and idioms. 

Apparently 'Care Bots' can be taught, by logical processes, to show compassion and express sympathy but because of their failure to actually empathise (de-code and actually FEEL the other person's emotion accurately) they can sometimes appear cold or as if they're deliberately being rude or uncaring.

Although many of these 'robots' can execute small-talk, apparently they can 'fail' on occasion to carry it off smoothly because of their occasional literal answers to rhetorical questions.

Sound familiar to anyone?

I wonder if any AI researchers have tried to link their work to that of scientists studying ASD?     

it's shame really that computers are not advanced enough to understand context, I mean as forward as we think technology is, it really isn't at all is it . . . and the human mind is by far more complex.  When attempts are made at replicating some of the things that the human mind/body is capable of with technology these are really quite awkward, backwards and clumsy still.

(Even before I can exit the page, I see two replies from "Talented Mute...?! I did not mean to change the subject, and so I am leaving this Thread now.)